FarmTrac Troubles

   / FarmTrac Troubles #61  
I doubt anybody knows yet.

But one scenario we have see in other industries is that a bankrupt's creditors assemble something like New Farmtrac that is legally isolated from the old company. It remains responsible to pay the old creditors, but in this case nobody knows how far down warranty customers rank in any creditors list. Debts to suppliers and the credit company may exhaust any assets before they work down the list to the warranty owners.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #62  
rustyanchor said:
He is being up front with respect to the warranty, it may or may not have one, and the future of Farmtrac.
A curosity question is: If the tractor is bought from a dealer that has terminated their agreement with FT, while FT is shut down looking at their options, when/if FT re-organizes and stays in business, will they honor a warranty? Hummm are they required to by law, if as has been said here, that the company has suspended sales.

Mark

Well one would THINK since the tractor is their tractor and sold as a new tractor, it shouldn't matter where it was sold from. If the dealer terminated, and the tractors were left for the dealer to sell, it really should not matter in the grand scheme of things. There were a few folks in my area of the country that wanted to be Montana dealers and later learned that tractors do not sell just by parking them next to your wholesale tennis shoe store and when they terminated, if they sold off their inventory, it still has a full warranty. There were a few dealers that thought they could break every advertising rule set by Montana and dump tractors in other dealers areas, and they still have full warranty even though these dealers were terminated.

Keep in mind that this is just the way I see it and I am not a lawyer. If I was, my time would be far too valuable to tell you what I think without charging you!

I think the chances at this point are very slim of a warranty no matter where you buy.

Ken
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #63  
California said:
I doubt anybody knows yet.

But one scenario we have see in other industries is that a bankrupt's creditors assemble something like New Farmtrac that is legally isolated from the old company. It remains responsible to pay the old creditors, but in this case nobody knows how far down warranty customers rank in any creditors list. Debts to suppliers and the credit company may exhaust any assets before they work down the list to the warranty owners.
  1. We see the Farmtrac dealers jumping ship if they can.
  2. We see Textron hammering existing dealers with inventory.
  3. Dealers have admitted that most of the tractors on a Textron floor plan are frozen assets.
  4. Bankruptcy and liquidation seem to be the relief the dealers are welcoming.
  5. Consumer laws are working against the dealers to sell these tractors.
  6. Consumer confidence in Farmtrac is at an all-time low.
  7. The public has been made aware on Jan 18, 08 that reorganization was needed. Since then there has been no public announcements.
  8. Good products need support and there is little to no support for the Farmtrac dealers or their consumers.
  9. Rumors are rampant and nobody is in charge.
  10. Some legal entity will soon file suit and the house of cards will fall.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #64  
Time will tell.
I would be interested to see what the ebay tractor brings for a final price.

Mark
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #65  
WOW my last post got me genuine "Member" status, no more "New Member" :D Yippee, now to post enough to be a Super Duper Platnum Gold Silver encrusted with diamonds Member:eek:
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #66  
Well. That is my ebay listing. It was a difficult decision to list this on ebay, but I cannot afford to have any "frozen Assets" I am under no pending litigation (as a defendant anyway) and I certainly am not considering bankruptcy so my assets are not frozen in any way. I have been notified by certified letter from the floor plan company that I can only dispose of these tractors "in the normal course of business" (and to be sure not to forget to pay them). My normal course of business includes Ebay and internet marketing. It is only Farmtrac NA policy that prevented marketing in this way while I was an active dealer (and I agree with that policy is necessary to mainatain an orderly market). I guess if they don't want me to do it, they can buy back my inventory (as is required by Arkansas Law). At this moment I don't expect that to happen. So, I have decided to try to sell one now and again if there is any buyer interest at all. I too am interested in seeing what it brings.

Bottom line: If I have to pay for this tractor, I own it. and if I own it I can think of no legal reason that I cannot sell it. That is provided the floor plan company gets paid. Whether there is any market is another concern altogether. In any case, I feel I have been as honest as I know how to be about the circumstances and the interest being conveyed and cannot imagine a buyer having any false ideas of the interest in the property being sold. The way I see it, it is no different than a bank selling off inventory of a foreclosed creditor, they don't warranty anything either.

There are many Farmtrac dealers I have talked to that are in much worse shape than I am and my biggest fear is thay my listing this tractor on ebay may in some way negatively impact them..of course anyone that would sell one of these tractors "in the normal course of business" without disclosing the condition of Farmtrac NA would, in my opinion, be commiting nothing short of fraud. Some dealers may want to sell with a dealer backed warranty, and if so may expect and deserve a higher price. Frankly I cannot think of anything that I could do that would make anything worse than it already is for any of us. So I am attempting this "experiment". There are lots of watchers (75), many of which may be fellow dealers wondering where the bottom is.

I have been actively involved in Chinese tractor sales for 5 years so I do know that tractors can be sold with minimal or no warranty. The tractors still do the job, and the customer saves a lot of money compared to other tractor choices on the market. I am optomistic about parts availability for the Escort tractors as well as the LS tractors as there are enough units in the field to support a profitable parts operation. At least I know what to expect doing business with the Chinese... The Indians really blind sided me. For almost 5 years I heard nothing but how big Escorts and how big Farmtrac was going to be. I better stop now, this is not really the place for me to vent. I just wanted to try to explain the position I have taken since this seems to be an interesting topic to the TBN community. I guess it sort of like driving by an accident, you just have to look and hope you don't see any casualties. I'm afraid we will see some innocent casualties in this matter, and I am doing my best trying not to be one. We have been having excellent KIOTI sales and our new Agtrac line is doing well. With the Lords help, I'll still be posting here (as an active dealer) next year!
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #67  
Bluechip,
Thank you for the reply. As I said I think you did well disclosing the uncertain future of warranty availibility. Reading posts on TBN, some dealers are not so up front with their perspective customers and seem to be trying to, maybe not outright deceive a customer but, avoid telling the whole story. It may only be one or two dealers but as the word circulates, it sounds like many more.

I'll keep a hopeful attitude about Farmtrac and wait to see, not much else I can do.

Mark
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #68  
blue chip I appreciate post and your honesty it says a lot for you and your dealership. no matter what you sell I think you will do well. its really to bad about farmtrac I think they are good tractors and would have had a good future if they had not left dealers and people stranded and without answers.
no better way to get rid of customer base and loyal dealers.
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #69  
I don't have a dog in the Farmtrac hunt, though as I stated before I probably would if I'd of waited a week to buy.

But bluechip, if I was looking for a new tractor, I'd have to at least come talk to you just from the honesty of your Ebay listing and your post here, and I'm in MS. Too bad the corporate folks can't be as honest as some of the dealers. The world is short on good people.

And I have to ask, are there any dealers here who would take Farmtrac back if they get straightened out?
 
   / FarmTrac Troubles #70  
I hope it works for bluechip. I know my self and 15 other dealers would like to move about 2 mil in inventory between us.
 

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