Farms disappearing at alarming rates

[MossRoad]

aside from my general disgust with the topic, my bigger concern (thread related) is what he is doing with all the land he owns.

"In May 2020, Reuters Fact Check found flight logs showed Gates had traveled on Epstein’s plane once, not multiple times, and claims he had visited Little Saint James were unfounded (here).
The available flight logs of Epstein’s private planes, viewable online in uploads by Gawker.com (here) and Factcheck.org (here), show the billionaire philanthropist flew on an aircraft of Epstein’s once to Florida, not to Little Saint James."

We'll never know, all the history. Besides.... that article is only talking about Epstein's plane..... it's not like 'ol Billy couldn't afford a fleet or 3 of his own..... I spent a lot of time in the Tech-sector, where he was held in low-esteem, for reasons other than the above allegations.

Faith In Legacy-Media.... a whole topic on it's own, more appropriately for outside of this thread/site.

Rgds, D.

You're trying to justify repeating unfounded information. You have no proof of what you originally said. Until you do, why repeat it?

 

[bmaverick]

I realize that Microsoft manages the OS of business and government, and they host more government, corporate, and personal data on their servers than any other organization. And, I know Bill has a large nonprofit with global reach and goals. I honestly have no idea how to classify them.

Murphy’s golden rule #1: He who has the gold makes the rules.

The EU has nearly pushed M$ and Billy Gates of Hell out. Linux and OpenSource products are the main staples. Over here, people just buy machines per-loaded like it was candy.

 

[Hay Dude]

The EU has nearly pushed M$ and Billy Gates of Hell out. Linux and OpenSource products are the main staples. Over here, people just buy machines per-loaded like it was candy.

Say what?

 

[MossRoad]

The EU has nearly pushed M$ and Billy Gates of Hell out. Linux and OpenSource products are the main staples. Over here, people just buy machines per-loaded like it was candy.

I gotta ask...

 

[LHF2019]

Guess who's buying a lot of it up !

China Is Buying Up US Farmland, But Just How Much Isn’t Clear

America is seeing more and more of its most fertile land snapped up by China and other foreign buyers, yet problems with how the US tracks such data means it’s difficult to know just how much, according to a report.

www.bloomberg.com

My buddy in Az. is complaining because the water rationing going on there doesn't apply to foreign land owners.

I had just read an article on this and found it interesting. Just remember it is the sellers fault if land leaves for some reason. If all your after is the big money then the one who comes with the big money gets it.

Foreign Investment in U.S. Ag Land – The Latest Numbers

Understanding the sensitivities of each individual investor situation, their history, and the implications for agriculture regionally are all likely to be considerations for legislative or policy actions.

www.fb.org

This land is our land: States crack down on foreign-owned farm fields

Some lawmakers and experts warn laws could go too far, making it difficult for some farmers to sell their land, discouraging economic development, or even leading to discrimination against certain groups of people such as Asian Americans.

www.agriculture.com

Its not just China. The AFA (affordable care act) allocated 80 billion for green energy. Windmills are yesterdays news, Today its solar panels. Power companies are leasing ag land for 30 years for a 1000 an acre. For most farmers this is a far higher profit margin then the are making farming.

Ironic you take the best soil and put it in power panels but it is the easiest to install in. The people that really feel it is all the industries ag supports. Seed suppliers, Fertilizer Co-ops, mills, trucking etc.

I can't blame the farmers for taking the royalties. They did it for natural gas and windmills but those usually only took an acre or two. Panels take the whole parcel and typically destroy the drain tile in the process to get the service wires in.

Large sections of ground north of me are in the planning phases. Really hope it falls through. I will always be against solar panels until they will utilize waste land and not prime farm ground. But they have the edge. Hard to turn down the money they offer. Some where around $3000/acre/year if developed. Have heard of one farmer putting in all new crop in hopes that the land starts to get developed and claim loss of crops on top of the money he would get from solar. Talk about screwing the system.

I do have gas wells. They don't take acres after the initial development.

This one didn't even make it in the field. The blue and white in upper left corner. They will work with you on placement.

Here is another one where just lost a small corner of the field and if you look carefully you can just make out where we have to go around the well head. Have a 3rd and it is all in one spot that we have to go around and according to mapping is 0.027 acres. That one is more a pain to go around but still laid out nice considering placement.

You are mostly correct, but farmers get some other bennies you haven’t mentioned.

That’s why I farm other peoples land. I have ZERO land costs. It’s their land and I farm it for them at their pleasure.
I paid rent, once. That was a money loser and I probably wouldn’t do it again without a longer term contract and more rights given to me on inputs and access.

My operation has a great deal of costs, but without having to worry about paying taxes, mortgages, fence line maintenance, driveways and the like, I can make my farming operation “pencil” with ease.
Some years are better than others. This year I am investing in a newer primary mover for my large square baler (300HP tractor). That will set me back a few Yuan, but I should be fine.

What will finally put me under is when these clowns make cattle/meat illegal. Bill Gates working hard in his fake meat labs to make it all happen, but I may be sitting poolside with MoKelly in Florida by the time that happens.

My highest rent is $35/acre. 50 acre chunk of the worst and wettest ground in my operation and spent a small fortune in fixing it up. Land just transferred to sons and while I was told nothing was changing that was farm from reality. Still unsure what the plan is but through our field checks less than happy with the disregard for the work we put in and we just may abandon.

Cutting in a road perpendicular to the direction of field work

Just driving where ever

 

[LDR812]

Has anyone been on USDA or such websites? More “conservation” programs, all worded so nicely about saving our species, wetlands yada yada. Conservation is a huge land grab and/or is resulting in regulation that crushes farmers

 

[Hay Dude]

I remember long ago listening to Rush Limbaugh talk about government bureaucracy, government regulators. I never knew back then we had (and now have even more) thousands upon thousands of government workers getting paid by us to “think up” new rules and regulations for us to live under. Of course, if these rules or regulations are broken, the guilty party must pay immense fines to the government.
We live in a system where thousands of pages of rules/laws are written. I bet many of us break laws/rules without even knowing it each and every day, giving the government ample opportunities to impose civil judgements on us.

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

In the relatively short 25 yrs I've been in this location I've seen a lot of farmland grow housing tracts. Developers just offer way more $ than crops and farmers get old and tired or their kids buckle. It's sad and it has ruined what was once a beautiful valley of wheat, grapes, and citrus groves.

I worked on the original Pachanga facility (casino) and watched as the housing tracts went in around 2000 to 2002. Watched the residential tracts in Murrieta grow, as the saying at the time was "drive until you qualify".
I think the beauty of the open farm land attracted people to purchase as well as the lower housing prices.
Visited the area this last year, it is a completly different place now with all the developement on top of what I knew as farmland.
Same thing is happening here now with the mass migration from the cities caused by fear from that "get the shot" era.

 

[USMC43]

I worked on the original Pachanga facility (casino) and watched as the housing tracts went in around 2000 to 2002. Watched the residential tracts in Murrieta grow, as the saying at the time was "drive until you qualify".
I think the beauty of the open farm land attracted people to purchase as well as the lower housing prices.
Visited the area this last year, it is a completly different place now with all the developement on top of what I knew as farmland.
Same thing is happening here now with the mass migration from the cities caused by fear from that get the shot era.

During the same time period I lived just north of there across the road from the Audie Murphy ranch in menifee and could ride horses probably 5 miles to lake Elsinore down the ridgelines and only see a few houses.

My wife’s grandmother still lives there and it’s all houses now, the leveled the mountain tops! Or at least they were mountains to this Indiana boy.

All the dry land wheat fields are housing addition.

 

[Torvy]

Lots of factors in this mess. One that most people don't know or forgot is Reynolds v Sims (1964). That court decided that as part of a 'one person one vote' pitch, state senate seats had to be proportional like state house/assembly seats. This shifted power from a balanced system like our national government, to one where cities had all of the power. It seemed rational to some on the surface. They think this is a democracy, so majority rules. Our ancestors were smarter. They realized we needed checks and they put them in place.

People in cities largely have no clue where their food comes from or the risk and labor involved in raising it. Those energy options that eat up farmland are not for use near the farms, it is to send energy to the cities.

Back in the day, farmers would cooperate with their neighbors (threshing bees, etc.) Used to be the oldest would inherit the farm. Then 'fairness' became popular and a lot of farms got divided among siblings. Farmers stopped sharing and running smaller acreages and owning all equipment independently made it impossible for some to make a living.

This is in addition to the problems mentioned by others.