Farm Pro Tractors

greg_g · Sep 11, 2005

( Maybe should start a new thread to find out if there is anyone in New York State, Pennsylvania or Ohio, or Michigan that sell Jinmas )

Try NYCTO Tom

//greg//

billbill1 · Sep 11, 2005

I bought the AgKing out of Texas, it is still a Jinma. So is the Farm Pro, Nortrac, and many others that have been rebadged. JohnS has built two crate tractors and if you visit his website (Johnstractor.com) you can get a great deal of information about the Jinma tractor. I have about 110 hours on my 284 LE, the starter was replaced under warranty when the tractor was new, I added an in line lower radiator heater to make cold weather starting easier, but otherwise it has been a great tractor. I bought the Koyker FEL, box blade, grader blade, and a finish mower with mine. I think a Jinma would make you a good machine if you can come up with a way to obtain one.

Harrygoodwrench · Sep 11, 2005

I don't know if this helps but maybe this is close for 77777 to check out. A auction for China tractors in NY on Sept 20th. 2005.

http://www.teitsworth.com/mcconnell_manufacturing.htm

777777 · Sep 11, 2005

Hi Greg,

Took your advice and posted there as well. Had been checking with that site periodically but there didn't seem to be much activity going on and that is why I posted here.

Re auction : Had heard about it but looking for new, assembled with some kind of warranty if it is even just for parts.

Thanks again
Tom

scottie · Sep 11, 2005

why not buy from an ontario dealer? /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

777777 · Sep 11, 2005

Hi Scottie,

No Farm Pro dealer in Ontario. Matter of fact, according to the Farm Pro web site there is only one dealer in Canada and that is in Prince Edward Island which is farther away from me than most places in the states. Maybe 1000+ miles.
Only Jinmas dealer around you look at $6k for a crate 200 series or there is another guy who is selling that start at around $10k. American prices seem a heck of a lot better especially since the tractor is put together, tested and you get a warranty. Jinmas on the west coast of Canada but again is about 1500 miles away from me and unless I am mistaken they are a little pricey.
So, as I say, options in Canada are somewhat limited. No Farm Pros and extremely limited choices otherwise.

Thanks for the thought though.

Tom

JINMA224XR · Sep 12, 2005

Must admit that I would like a 4x4 tractor with PS. Price at
$4850 out the door is really good and would like to know how you managed that.


Hey Tom,

Tom, I did a whole lot of Stomping around, until the bushes shook enough, and I was able to find a dealer that was willing to sale me a tractor, set up the way that I wanted it to be and at a price that was within my little bitty budget. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The Dealer that I bought from is a direct importer and the buyer can order his tractor set up exactly how he wants it to be from the getgo. It takes about 2 to 3 months to order a tractor and get it to your house.

I would check with EmeryBuilt and East Winds in New York. and I think that EmeryBuilt is over in that general location as well, but they do have a web site, If I remember correctly.

Try very hard to get PS, 4wd, 3 or 4 cylinder, Spring Suspension Seat(Don't get the Brick Bat Seat), Canopy(helps prevent Skin Cancer), rear wheel weights/Front weights. What I mean is, you are saving a ton of money's on your Chinese Tractor, so why not get all of the Bells and Whistles that the Chinese have to offer on your tractor from the Get Go.

If you want my Dealers # and name, just ask. He is down in Pensacola, Florida and ships Tractors all over the US and Canada, Either in a Crate or allready Assembled. Remember you can get a 254, that is a 24/25 hp, for about 6000 and you should be able to get a 224 for about 5000 dollars, and I am talking out the door.

At one time, East Winds, was selling 354 Kama's for 6000.

At this point, I personally would lean for either a Jinma or a Kama. Be extra careful, in determining, whether Creeper Gear Box or a Shuttle Shift is better suited for your needs. The creeper gears, give the tractor more gears for lower speeds. You'll have to ask others exactly what the advantage the shuttle shift has. As I understand, the shuttle is best for doing a lot of front end loader work. Both have an advantage over the other, and you have to determine, which is better suited for the majority of your tractor job projects.

If you decide to get a Chinese tractor, please follow Greg's advice on Flushing and checking out your oil reservoir's prior to operation of your tractor. Bearings will not last very long without proper lubrication and it is imperative that oil passages are not stopped up by debris, so that the lubricating oil can flow freely.

Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe

SPIKER · Sep 12, 2005

Something Im suprized others haven't noted yet is that JINMAS don't want loaders on NON-4 wheel drive tractors as the front ends on the 2 whl drive models do not offer the weight carrying ability of the 4 whl drive brothern...

as for dealers there are several on Ohioif you check the web I'mn sure you can find them. also same for NY and PA or Mich. try searching for JINMA and the farm pro name.

MarkM

777777 · Sep 12, 2005

Hi Mark,

Have just about googled and msn'd myself blind and really can't find much in any of these states. Maybe I am missing something but who knows.
Missouri is rampant with Farm Pro dealers but about 800 miles from my place and the shipping is a killer.

Thanks for the thoughts. Bout ready to give up and buy used or grey up here and suffer the consequences.

Tom

jaybirdt · Sep 12, 2005

Tom, I live just east of Buffalo NY and the nearest dealer for Farm Pro is Winkler Sales and Service in Holley NY. I visited him and he had several of each a fiew weeks ago even a 25 hr 2420 with turfs and PS. Only problem I found was prices seemed a bit high 4500 base and 5300 for turfs and PS both EPA and 2 yr warranty. For those prices could you get a nortrac 20 hp 4wd delivered for 5995 but not sure about them delivering it to Canada.If you wanted have it delivered to my house and pick it up. Then I can make sure everything works /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

johnk · Sep 12, 2005

I thought he only sold Belarus tractors...When did he start selling Farm Pro??

777777 · Sep 12, 2005

Hi Jaybirdt,

Wow, that is some offer. Really really appreciate it. Unbelievable that you would offer to do that for someone you don't even know.
Did kind of fall over the Rural King Store site tonite. They are offering the TractorKing 200 with is 20hp, 2wd, with PS and turfs and showing a price on the net of $4000 with 6 month warranty and actually the 25hp, 4wd is $6k. Out of my price range right now but still interesting. May get stuck with $350 in shipping charges as not sure if can pick up in Illinois or has to be delivered somewhere. This kind of thing would probably suit my needs perfectly for now. Loader is a down the road issue because of dollars.
Here is the URL :http://www.ruralking.com/netflyer_web/schedule.htm

Will let you know how it goes. Really appreciate your offer.
What kindness. Restores your faith in people.

Thanks so very much

Tom

RonMar · Sep 12, 2005

What will Canadian customs do when you show up at the border trailering a new tractor?

JINMA224XR · Sep 13, 2005

What will Canadian customs do when you show up at the border trailering a new tractor?

Ron 

Hey Ron,

Could Tom, get by with renting the tractor, to get it across the border? And if he happens to like the tractor and decides to just keep it, (Since Tom has allready paid for the tractor), who, will make him return it? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Where there is a will, there is a way. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

777777 · Sep 13, 2005

Hi All,

Well with NFTA, pretty well goes that if you can bring into the U.S. then you can bring into Canada. Engine must be EPA'd or acceptable for import into the States so should be no problem there. Will call Customs and find out the process but I am sure that they will be glad to see me as they will be trying to collect 15% tax on the price after converting to Cdn dollars.
Works out that a $4000 tractor costs around $4900 Cdn and then they want 15% tax on top so tractor ends up costing over $5600 Cdn.
So, you can see why I was trying to get something that was pretty inexpensive but even at that rate, can't find anything up here in that kind of price range so is a bargain.
So, invoice price is what will count here. Interesting thought re invoice price.
When you look at the Rurl King site you see the 20HP is a TK-200 which presumably is tractor King ( rebadged Jinma ? ) Next up is a JM-254 which must be a real Jinma.

Will see where this takes us after couple of phone calls today.

Take care and have a good.

Thanks again,
Tom

bluechip · Sep 13, 2005

Tom,
Dont' assume these tractors are "EPA approved" just because they are here in USA. there was a post by someone on the ctoa board that bought from rural king, got 2005 tractor with 1999 engine. Also it was a Laidong, not Yangdong engine. You need to check this very carefully with Canadian customs before you drive down and by one. Farm Pros are now EPA certified (new stock only) these are the ones with the higher prices and two year warranty. Many Chinese tractors are brought into USA under exemption programs that may or may not be mirrored in Canada, be careful. Farm Pro is the only one I know of that has certified the Y380 engine to my knowledge, they did it with the brand "homier" not Yangdong and are considered the engine manufacturer by EPA. My understanding is that the Y385, YD485 from Yangdong and TY395 from Jaingsu Jaingdong are the only engines with EPA certifiecations held by the Chinese engine manufacturer in their own right. So you can find 25 (24?) and 30/35HP EPA certified Jinma and KAMA tractors in USA all other HP sizes (except perhaps the Perkins in the fig foton/farm pros) are under some type of exemption program, either by date of manufacture or othet exemption allowed by TPEM. Fun huh /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

777777 · Sep 13, 2005

Hey Blue Chip,

Well, you certainly offered a new twist here. Got off the phone with a whole whack of government people here and then finally Canada Customs. What we basically talked about was whether there was any duty on them. After quite a song and dance about USA made or non USA made, it turns out there wasn't any difference anyways as it would be duty free.
Only get stuck with 15% tax.
So, guess I had best talk to Customs again and maybe our Transport Canada people to see what they have to say.
Little on the parade here but we will percever.

Thanks for the additional insight. Are you sure you are too far away ? Rural King are delivered out of Mattoon Illinois.

Just kidding.

Tom

777777 · Sep 15, 2005

Hi All,

Well, got off the phone with Canada Customs again and Transport Canada and there does not appear to be any problems at all bringing in a tractor. While not saying it outloud, bascically if for sale in the U.S. and therefore meets the American standards , then it can be brought into Canada.
Does not matter that is made in China, assembled in the U.S and then I import it into Canada. No Duty either. Just the 15% in taxes after the purchase price in converted to Canadian. I think there wold be issues if I was bringing in a bunch but then would need a certificate of origin and some kind of paper work that shows it meets the current EPA standards even with the exemptions.

That said, going to go low end Rural King ( 20HP, PS and Turf tires ) which should do all I need it to do for this year and the spring ( after I get a couple of attachments for it ).
Odds are that I will be looking for something more substantial next summer or fall but also by then a few issues I have on the go will have been resolved and I can start looking upwards and onwards in the tractor world. Unless I kill it, pretty sure will be able to move the Rural King when I decide to move up.

Thanks again for all your help, hints and advise. Greatly appreciated.
Great bunch of people.

Thanks
Tom

JINMA224XR · Sep 16, 2005

Well, got off the phone with Canada Customs again and Transport Canada and there does not appear to be any problems at all bringing in a tractor. No Duty either. Just the 15% in taxes after the purchase price in converted to Canadian.
That said, going to go low end Rural King ( 20HP, PS and Turf tires ) which should do all I need it to do for this year and the spring ( after I get a couple of attachments for it ). 

Hey Tom,

Glad to hear that all is going well.

Try to get the Spring Suspension Seat if you can with it also. The Seat is the most used item on a tractor, but is often overlooked in the purchase.

Also read up on Greg's advice on Flushing and do as he recommends, it may save you a lot of grief. Also get the 2 year warranty, if it is available. A 2 year warranty will help you to sleep better at night and may provide a good safety net, just in case.

Again, glad that things are looking positive for you and wish you all the best with your new tractor.

If you run out of things for your tractor to do up in Canada, we have plenty of work for you and your tractor to do down here on The Gulf Coast. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Get your tractors running &
Have a nice day,
Joe /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

777777 · Sep 16, 2005

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the good thoughts. Don't have a bunch of choice re warranty as only offer the 6 months.
Actually don't know about the seat but am darn sure going to ask as my butt may thank me.
It is odd the way that things go because after finding the Rural King sites and tractors, have found someone in Pennsylvania that offers the same thing but for $500 more.
My choices come down to picking up in Illinois which is about 475 miles from my place, paying 1.35 a mile for delivery to the border which put is right up, or, might go to Pennsylvania instead as there might be a little price matching going on and since is a Farm Pro I would get the 2 year warranty for sure. Getting all organized for next week and will finalize then one way or another.
Must tell you that I am still in shock as to the desolation in the Gulf Coast and my heart if with you. If I could, would do more but donations to the plight of Americans down there all probably the best thinkg that I can do.

Take care and all the best

Thanks
Tom