Farm pro 2420 transmission/clutch

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HI i was cutting grass with my Farm Pro 2420 and finish mower when all of a sudden it reved up and wouldnt move, will not move in any gear and there is a slight grinding noise when clutch is released clutch was replace a couple of years ago any imput would be appreciated thanks
 
   / Farm pro 2420 transmission/clutch
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Hi this was located in the bottom of the casing below the clutch and also if you look I have no more adjustment left to adjust my freeplay on clutch peddle have approx 4 inches I know this is too much also tractor will move in L L gear is there a procedure to properly adjust these clutches thanks

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   / Farm pro 2420 transmission/clutch #3  
Just a WAG but from seeing other clutches that looks like the head of a rivet that holds the clutch plate together.
 
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Hi this was located in the bottom of the casing below the clutch and also if you look I have no more adjustment left to adjust my freeplay on clutch peddle have approx 4 inches I know this is too much also tractor will move in L L gear is there a procedure to properly adjust these clutches
Yes, and if that's where you've been "adjusting free play" you have probably seized the discs. It could also explain one sheared rivet. But there are quite a few rivets holding the friction surfaces, so shearing just one is probably only a symptom - not a cause

As you probably realize, pushing in the clutch pedal disengages the clutch. What actually happens is that your foot motion causes the throwout bearing carrier to be pushed into the clutch release fingers. That metallic noise you're hearing could very well be coming from a damaged throwout bearing. Anyway. The force of the TOB pushing on the release fingers separates the pressure plates from the friction discs. When the plates and discs are not in contact, the clutch is disengaged. Once you release the pedal the TOB carrier backs away from the release fingers, and the discs and plates once again mate.

The basic clutch adjustment involves starting with the correct stack height, then setting (and maintaining) a 2.5mm gap between the TOB face and the clutch release fingers. This gap is set by changing the length of the pull rod that connects the clutch pedal and the clutch release arm that sticks out of the bell housing. The adjustment is where the yoke is threaded onto the pull rod. As the friction discs wear over time, you periodically adjust the yoke on the rod as required to recover the 2.5mm gap.

All this is done from outside the tractor. But when encountering a situation like you describe, it's not that simple. If you've been adjusting through the inspection window, then you've altered your stack height. All bets are off. Someone with Chinese tractor clutch experience might - and I stress might - be able to look through the window and figure out how to undo what's been done. But short of that, you're likely gonna have to split the tractor. The existing clutch may be salvageable, but you won't really be able to tell until you get in on the bench. At that time it can be repaired or replaced, stack height set, then reinstalled on the tractor. When the tractor's reassembled, you then set the 2.5mm gap - and the stop bolt length if necessary. At that point your pedal travel should be back to the specified inch or so.

The rust on that rivet by the way, suggests it's not a recent break. At this point it may be nothing more than a red herring. Who did the last clutch replacement by the way?

//greg//
 
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Hi the clutch w replaced in 2007 when I purchased the tractor not sure who done it? I will split and inspect Greg can you explain how to set stack height thanks
 
   / Farm pro 2420 transmission/clutch #7  
Sure. Look in the owners manual section on Adjustment of the Tractor. With luck you'll locate a diagram of the clutchpack there. I don't know whether your tractor has a 3 finger clutch or a 6 finger clutch, the stack height is different. But on my 254 Jinmas, 3 fingered stack height was measured from the clutch release finger tips to the engine side of the PTO pressure plate. I'd adjust each of the 3 release finger hex nuts until there was exactly 96.8mm between each tip and a corresponding location on the pressure plate. Those three tips also were spec'd to be within 0.1mm of each other. That way they exerted simultaneous and equal pressure against the TOB face.

If you don't have the manuals that came with the tractor, now would be a very good time to invest. At a minimum, they should contain the clutch adjustment procedure specific to your tractor.

//greg//
 
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greg_g, I do not know of " ANYBODY" besides yourself that has done this stack height adjustment on a Chinese tractor and made it work.(Not saying it does not work on other brands) please let us know who else can say they have done it and it has worked.While it may get you with in a half inch it still has to all be re-adjusted once it's installed and the stack height adjustment is just a waste of time and energy.These clutchs are very easy to adjust once they are installed,the problem is that most pre-mature failures were caused by the clutch never being adjusted right after assembly.Most chinese tractor owners are not full time diesel mechanics,they are do it yourselfers that bought a Chinese tractor to save some money, they are mechanical, and can do most minor repairs themself,but need some guidence,How do I know ,because we talk to hundreds of these chinese tractor owners a month,and thats what they tell us.You are a very knowledgable person, not doubting that but you just confuse the average owner of the Chinese tractors with all these procedures,

If Diesel dog: Wants or needs the help to adjust the Clutch once it's installed ,please give me a
call or e-mail, we will be glad to help,

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales
"Your Jinma Parts Superstore"
Home of compact Jinma, Foton, and Koyker Tractors and Parts, Wood Chippers, Backhoes - Affordable Tractor Sales Company
 
   / Farm pro 2420 transmission/clutch #9  
greg_g, I do not know of " ANYBODY" besides yourself that has done this stack height adjustment on a Chinese tractor and made it work.
Given your consistent criticism of the topic, I wouldn't expect otherwise. Having said that, those who have been around here a while cannot help but note that you consistently attack the messenger - rather than address the procedure itself.

But for the newer members, it's been my experience that you cannot count on a replacement clutch pack to come out of the box ready to bolt onto the flywheel. Do not assume that a replacement clutchpack is ready to install. Same applies to those who disassemble a clutchpack to replace a component, because putting it back together is more than just replacing the retaining hardware and sticking it back on the tractor. And this is the reason why the Chinese manuals contain the stack height spec. You need to tighten the bolts against the springs until the front to back (or top to bottom) measurement conforms to that number. Getting this measurement right is the basis for the desired end product, and that is proper clutch travel.

I have repeatedly stated that stack height adjustment can be done either horizontally on a tractor that's already split, or vertically off the tractor (bench adjustment). On the tractor is more convenient, on the bench is more accurate. It's the vertical position on the bench that gives origin to the phrase "stack height". Given my advancing arthritis and degraded eyesight (not to mention that I like accuracy), I prefer the bench method. That said, there are a few extra pre-loading steps in the bench method (bolting to the flywheel pre-loads by default). But both methods result in a clutchpack that has been adjusted to that particular factory spec. Unless/until it satisfies that spec, any adjustment that follows will simply be compensating for any inaccuracy in the stack height.

I have no argument with your statement "most pre-mature failures were caused by the clutch never being adjusted right...." but only to that point. Because they must be adjusted right both before and after assembly. So to hopefully drive the point home, the post adjustment specs are based upon the assumption of a correct stack height. Simply put, that's why the numbers are in the owners manual in the first place.

//greg//
 
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greg_g, My point is if the manuals were so good and correct on these tractors we would not have anybody asking on these message boards asking how to fix them.We deal with alot of dealers for Jinma,Foton,Kama, DF,Kubota, John Deere,New Holland,other general Tractor repair shops all accross the USA,Canada,,none do the stack height adjustment you mention on the Chinese dual stage clutchs.The clutchs are not adjusted from the box "We agree",and must be adjusted after they are installed.We have helped hundreds of owners with them and they all installed out of the box, and adjusted out just fine.



Anytime somebody tells you that you are wrong you go into a page long debate over,how you are maybe a little wrong but not really.This is Not just me ,it's anybody that tries to correct something you have said.You always think I'm trying to attack you ,thats far from the truth I have told you time & time again I think you are a knowledgable person,however you do not have the experience in these Chinese tractors as the dealers do, they work on them everyday.I/we do not know it all about them either but our experience is based on working on them everyday,or working with dealers and customers resolving problems everyday.No reading or googling the answers.I have read alot of your posts on things that I do not know enough about and have found the answers or ways to test things,I appreciate that.

Lifes short take a breath, and enjoy the positive comments from the people you helped resolve a problem, that's what I do and theres no better feeling in the world.

Tommy
Affordable Tractor Sales Co
"Your Jinma Parts Superstore"
Home of compact Jinma, Foton, and Koyker Tractors and Parts, Wood Chippers, Backhoes - Affordable Tractor Sales Company
 

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