Sodo
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- Joined
- Apr 21, 2012
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- Cascade Mtns of WA state
- Tractor
- Kubota B-series & Mini Excavator
After a lengthy discussion with knowledgable TBN members (Bukitcase, RSwyan, J_J & others) I finally understand this "problem". Many thanks for their persistence.
A tractor can work for years with no "Power Beyond" circuit (PB) on a remote, but understand that the valve seals are at risk whenever the 3-point is loaded (or topped out, anything causing upstream pressure). Keep in mind that the 3-pt hitch lift is almost always the last device in the circuit & doesn't have PB because it's the last device. But every valve upstream of the 3-pt requires a PB port, and a direct, low-pressure return to the tank.
It does not risk the internal spools, or crack the valve casting - the problem is that without a dedicated return to tank, it over-pressures the external seals.
Here is a pic of a tractor with a heavy 3-point attachment (the 3-pt forklift). You can't see it
, but this tractor (currently) has no PB circuit on the remote valve - thus is "at-risk". The forklift's weight on the 3-point causes high pressure on the external seals of the (upstream) "remote hydraulic" valve. Which "may or may not" cause a problem, as long as the levers on the valve upstream are never "moved" while this weight is on the 3-point. While the 3-point load is pressuring the external seals, moving any lever (sliding a spool) could blow the external seals right then and there.
Here is a diagram showing a hydraulic remote with NO power beyond circuit.
The blue "DROPLETS" are the (upstream) remote valves external seals blowing oil due to pressure or weight on the 3-pont lift (downstream).
This took a long time for me to understand, until I saw the diagram.
![Smile :) :)](data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7)
Then it was "easy" to see, and I hope this diagram helps others.
Also this is about 95% of what I know, period.
Possibility that I'm missing something (,,,Steve says I'm a new "expert") is very likely.
Further explanations, corrections, (and correct terminology) is appreciated.
:thumbsup:
A tractor can work for years with no "Power Beyond" circuit (PB) on a remote, but understand that the valve seals are at risk whenever the 3-point is loaded (or topped out, anything causing upstream pressure). Keep in mind that the 3-pt hitch lift is almost always the last device in the circuit & doesn't have PB because it's the last device. But every valve upstream of the 3-pt requires a PB port, and a direct, low-pressure return to the tank.
It does not risk the internal spools, or crack the valve casting - the problem is that without a dedicated return to tank, it over-pressures the external seals.
Here is a pic of a tractor with a heavy 3-point attachment (the 3-pt forklift). You can't see it
Here is a diagram showing a hydraulic remote with NO power beyond circuit.
The blue "DROPLETS" are the (upstream) remote valves external seals blowing oil due to pressure or weight on the 3-pont lift (downstream).
This took a long time for me to understand, until I saw the diagram.
Then it was "easy" to see, and I hope this diagram helps others.
Also this is about 95% of what I know, period.
Possibility that I'm missing something (,,,Steve says I'm a new "expert") is very likely.
Further explanations, corrections, (and correct terminology) is appreciated.
:thumbsup: