EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Grumpycat]

Still blows me away how much some folks despise EV's, When I bought the EV in early 23 people were flipping me off and coal rolling me...

Yes! Is terribly hilarious the limp wrist small male organ compensators who only get the idea to “roll coal” when they see me. They can’t even do it right! Just barely a wisp of black smoke! Cant even see it in the dash cam video, only see their pathetic effort!

And then there are the Dodge Challengers with loud pipes… They get set off by my license plate, “SILENT”. No oil hating themes for me.

In other cool news I saw my second BMW i8 in the wild yesterday. Could be the second time I saw the same one, was on the same road last seen a couple years ago. All black. Not the color I would choose. Saw a two tone orange/black at dealer, much more distinctive.

 

[WinterDeere]

In other cool news I saw my second BMW i8 in the wild yesterday.

My wife has a very good friend who bought an i8 back around 2015, or thereabouts. Very cool car.

Their "daily beater", for driving in the snow or leaving at airport parking, is a P90D.

This person commutes from Allentown PA to Holmdel NJ and back, every day. Both cars are now near 10 years old, and I've never heard them speak of range anxiety. I'm pretty sure they're on the original batteries and don't charge at work, but will confirm, as that'd be interesting to know.

 

[Grumpycat]

My wife has a very good friend who bought an i8 back around 2015, or thereabouts. Very cool car.

Their "daily beater", for driving in the snow or leaving at airport parking, is a P90D.

This person commutes from Allentown PA to Holmdel NJ and back, every day. Both cars are now near 10 years old, and I've never heard them speak of range anxiety. I'm pretty sure they're on the original batteries and don't charge at work, but will confirm, as that'd be interesting to know.

The i8 is a hybrid. Nonetheless it is cool.

 

[sd455dan]

Yes! Is terribly hilarious the limp wrist small male organ compensators who only get the idea to “roll coal” when they see me. They can’t even do it right! Just barely a wisp of black smoke! Cant even see it in the dash cam video, only see their pathetic effort!

And then there are the Dodge Challengers with loud pipes… They get set off by my license plate, “SILENT”. No oil hating themes for me.

In other cool news I saw my second BMW i8 in the wild yesterday. Could be the second time I saw the same one, was on the same road last seen a couple years ago. All black. Not the color I would choose. Saw a two tone orange/black at dealer, much more distinctive.

I thought about personalized plates for the Y Performance but decided there were some other areas I wanted to spend the difference . I Did consider "155N1ST" . Decided against it, No need to attract the boys in blue for no reason.

I feel bad for rolling coal on a convertible Camaro last year with the RAM, had a one ton pallet of energy logs for the wood stove I had just picked up in the bed of the truck and needed to get up to speed. The diesel had not been floored in a while and belched out some black smoke. Sometimes despite the best efforts to not roll coal it does happen.

 

[Grumpycat]

I thought about personalized plates for the Y Performance but decided there were some other areas I wanted to spend the difference . I Did consider "155N1ST" . Decided against it, No need to attract the boys in blue for no reason.

I don't get the cultural significance of 155N1ST.

In my case the plate supports a cause, the personalization is no extra cost.

I feel bad for rolling coal on a convertible Camaro last year with the RAM, had a one ton pallet of energy logs for the wood stove I had just picked up in the bed of the truck and needed to get up to speed. The diesel had not been floored in a while and belched out some black smoke. Sometimes despite the best efforts to not roll coal it does happen.

Yes but not running empty and racing ahead then slowing to repeat a number of times.

 

[Egon]

You folks who are debating the impact of vehicles on the environment should realize all aspects of production and use should be considered. That includes all the materials required for construction and providing fuel for the vehicles. ( eg. Producing petroleum, metals, plastics or electricity and the materials required for that production.)

 

[WinterDeere]

You folks who are debating the impact of vehicles on the environment should realize all aspects of production and use should be considered. That includes all the materials required for construction and providing fuel for the vehicles. ( eg. Producing petroleum, metals, plastics or electricity and the materials required for that production.)

That’s why it’s still a debate! So many variables to include, and each has a different impact (air vs. water vs. land quality issues), that there is no one answer. And to muddy the waters even farther, you have to consider not only number of impacted factors, but the severity of each.

If you believe we have an air quality emergency, which probably is a legitimate concern for Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Hong Kong, then that’s your focus, and BEV is likely your champion. If you live in an area with water and land resources threatened by lithium mining, then likely just the opposite.

Personally I think BEV’s land more wins than ICE, as you go down the list of global environmental concerns, but understand that many times local factors can reverse the scenario. The trouble is that GM, Ford, and Chrysler aren’t going to make differently-powered cars in each body type for Wyoming vs. California.

 

[shooterdon]

That’s why it’s still a debate! So many variables to include, and each has a different impact (air vs. water vs. land quality issues), that there is no one answer. And to muddy the waters even farther, you have to consider not only number of impacted factors, but the severity of each.

If you believe we have an air quality emergency, which probably is a legitimate concern for Los Angeles, Mexico City, and Hong Kong, then that’s your focus, and BEV is likely your champion. If you live in an area with water and land resources threatened by lithium mining, then likely just the opposite.

Personally I think BEV’s land more wins than ICE, as you go down the list of global environmental concerns, but understand that many times local factors can reverse the scenario. The trouble is that GM, Ford, and Chrysler aren’t going to make differently-powered cars in each body type for Wyoming vs. California.

And the places that "need" EVs the most will have more challenges keeping them charged. People living in high rises, condos and row houses (many without garages) will need the "gas station model" because they cannot charge at home. People in rural areas can easily charge at home but most of have no "need" to reduce exhaust pollution or desire to have an EV. People living in the suburbs are the ideal EV market because most of them can charge at home.

19% live in rural areas - but they occupy 97% of the land.

Of the remaining 3% of the land mass. 69% live in suburbs and 12% in urban areas.

I am going to assume most of us on this forum who own tractors and live where we use our tractor(s) are rural folks. I know a number of suburban/urban dwellers who have tractors on hunting land or vacation places...not where they live.

Grumpy Cat does not list a tractor but is on a tractor site. His pictures of his EV's show a suburban location. He does not think I should be on this thread because I do not own an EV and am unlikely to own one. Should he not be on this site because he does not own a tractor? NO!!

Sharing information and evaluating differing opinions are how we learn. I know GC is wrong about EVs for my needs, but maybe things will change. He is wrong about only EV owners being on this thread. If he gets butt hurt when people do not agree with him, he can report them, ignore them or leave the forum.

 

[WinterDeere]

And the places that "need" EVs the most will have more challenges keeping them charged. People living in high rises, condos and row houses (many without garages) will need the "gas station model" because they cannot charge at home.

Agreed, but I think this is a "today" problem only, not really a long-term problem.

Just as guys watering their horses in town 100 years ago complained there weren't gas stations to justify selling the horse and buying a Ford, I think this problem will be resolved within perhaps 20 years, as more commercial property owners and businesses find a way to monetize charging access. It seems likely this could even become part of your employer benefits package, right alongside today's more common health and vision insurance, or discounted gym membership.

Likewise, I see apartment complexes offering parking spaces with charging as a way to attract renters, just as was the case when they all scrambled to install clothes washers and dryers 40 years ago, or cable and high-speed internet access 25 years ago. If I owned a commercial property, and could add to the passive income either by renting charger access or attracting renters willing to pay higher rent, I'd definitely consider it.

That leaves a short-term problem for most renters, and a longer-term problem for budget renters, until such facilities become more common. But realizing budget renters are not the ones running out to buy new EV's anyway, maybe the natural lifecycle of used ICE's will automatically span that infrastructure gap.

 

[sd455dan]

You folks who are debating the impact of vehicles on the environment should realize all aspects of production and use should be considered. That includes all the materials required for construction and providing fuel for the vehicles. ( eg. Producing petroleum, metals, plastics or electricity and the materials required for that production.)

I think Billy Bob Thorton's character in the "Landman" has it about right.

removed link to scene the language was a bit to colorful. youtube has it:


"Landman | Tommy Explains Why Even Wind Turbines Depend on the Oil Industry"