EV owners of today and tomorrow

[Grumpycat]

You have to listen and drive your EV just like Grumpy. You don't need " gas station model" chargers ! You must just charge at home ! ......and for you apartment dwellers, don't worry, Grumpy delivered newspapers to apartment dwellers when he was a kid and saw that they move sometimes to better buildings. So they will figure it out. ..... sarcasm off now.

Keep digging your hole.

Your selective memory forgets, “major travel corridors.”

 

[Grumpycat]

Traveling from East Central Illinois to Southern Illinois looks problematic to me. I entered some destinations into the Tesla trip planner to see what they recommend. What happens if you plan a trip with their website and you get less mileage than they anticipate? Chargers seem to be few and far between in the areas we travel.

What distances did the trip planner select between Superchargers? Typically 100-150 miles. If you have reason to believe your consumption will be greater than estimated then simply charge more when you stop. You don’t have to do exactly as recommended. Tesla will let you drive down to 20% or so, then charge only to 60% when it recommends proceeding to the next Supercharger.

The Gas Station Model does not work for EVs. One does not charge to full then drive to empty. Trip takes 3x longer to charge that way. The fuller the battery the slower it charges.

 

[NoTrespassing]

What distances did the trip planner select between Superchargers? Typically 100-150 miles. If you have reason to believe your consumption will be greater than estimated then simply charge more when you stop. You don’t have to do exactly as recommended. Tesla will let you drive down to 20% or so, then charge only to 60% when it recommends proceeding to the next Supercharger.

The Gas Station Model does not work for EVs. One does not charge to full then drive to empty. Trip takes 3x longer to charge that way. The fuller the battery the slower it charges.

Try Danville Illinois to Albion Illinois and back to Danville.

Tesla Long Range trip = 6 hr 4 min. with 20 min. charge and 320 miles

Mazda 3 = 5 hr 15 min. no fill up, 274 miles (ref. google maps)

So, an additional 49 mins. and 46 miles

I don't really understand the math here. Is the Tesla trip planner not including the 20 minute charge time in "Duration"?

How can you go out of your way by 46 miles and charge for 20 minutes and still make the trip within 49 minutes of the 46 mile shorter trip?

 

[shooterdon]

You say you look at the big picture, but a 35 mpg ICE is a boring underpowered thing, whereas the EV could be a total torque monster with 3 second 0-60 times. Hardly apples to apples.

Give me a 500+ hp ICE over an EV any day, but mine get 12 mpg on a good day. If you're going to strap me to 35 mpg requirements, please take the ICE away... it's a turd.

I have had two Corvettes. Slower than an EV but rarely could use all the power they had or cruise at over 100 mph for very long without worrying about losing my license.

I live in the sticks and town is 25 miles away. We might shop at one of the bigger cities 80-100 miles away once a month. I need cheap and reliable transportation, not an ego boost, for 80% of my driving.

I am not strapping you to 35 mpg so have no idea where that comment came from. My big picture works for me. I don't have to prove anything by riding around in a 500 HP vehicle. Seems stupid to me to suffer 12 mpg for the 10% of the time you want (not need) 500 HP, but this is American, and we have choices.

You remind me of one of my friends who has a TRX and drives it like a 17 year old. He is in his late 50's, worth $15 million and does not care about spending money as long as he can make up for his other issues.

 

[wawajake]

Keep digging your hole.

Your selective memory forgets, “major travel corridors.”

When you constantly use your mantra of " gas station model doesn't work" ........then need exceptions of a gas station model on major travel corridors......your mantras truth falls apart. .....and your Apartment building belittling, is hilarious. Not everyone has three or more ICE to use as backups and a garage and 200 amp service. Fortunately the right political forces are coming into power in North America to slow or cancel mandates......drill baby drill .

 

[ning]

A battery swap model would fix the "gas station model".

If battery connections & sizes were standardized - with longer range models potentially having more than one - then an automated swap station could give you 100% quicker than a gas tank fill-up. You wouldn't be sold a battery with the car, but it would be delivered with a "borrowed" battery; when you swap, you pay for the juice in the battery plus an amortized portion of the battery's value, and joining the battery system would require insurance or a bond in case you don't return the batteries.

The battery swap system will take batteries with problems out of circulation, fix them and return to circulation, or recycle them.

A system like this would also be great for the used EV market, because you're never worried about the battery crapping out due to age.

 

[WinterDeere]

You remind me of one of my friends who has a TRX and drives it like a 17 year old. He is in his late 50's, worth $15 million and does not care about spending money as long as he can make up for his other issues.

lol... your friend and I would probably get along well. I don't drive nearly as fast as I did at 17, but I do still get the same thrill from acceleration and high-horsepower vehicles. I also don't care about the cost of fuel, it is not a cost high enough to even register, driving under 10k miles per year.

My point was that you're comparing fuel cost of EV's to ICE's that get 35 mpg, and I don't think many of the EV owners on this thread are driving vehicles anywhere near as wimpy or boring as a 35 mpg ICE. Maybe at least make the fuel cost comparison to a typical 18-20 mpg ICE sport sedan?

 

[5030]

I see the EV mandate no longer exists. DJT expunged it.

 

[Grumpycat]

When you constantly use your mantra of " gas station model doesn't work" ........then need exceptions of a gas station model on major travel corridors......

Your limited intellect can’t distinguish between a gas station serving apartment dwellers vs travel corridors.

your mantras truth falls apart. .....and your Apartment building belittling, is hilarious.

It is you who belittles the apartment dwellers. You who refuses to acknowledge the free market forces which has bettered their options. Brought them the option of a swimming pool, cable tv, broadband internet, kitchen, washer and dryer, air conditioning, all in the last 70 years.

I don’t understand it but they are building apartments around me as fast as they can. Almost never before an apartment above another but now 4-5 story buildings are the norm. At the same time there is a mad rush to build car washes to serve these new residents.

Have not seen any apartment listing offering car wash facilities but have seen EV charging listed. And some have private covered garages.

Not everyone has three or more ICE to use as backups and a garage and 200 amp service.

Why can they not have these things? Is it because they haven’t therefore can never?

Fortunately the right political forces are coming into power in North America to slow or cancel mandates......drill baby drill .

Yup, I agree, America is entering a new golden era.

 

[Grumpycat]

A battery swap model would fix the "gas station model".

If battery connections & sizes were standardized - with longer range models potentially having more than one - then an automated swap station could give you 100% quicker than a gas tank fill-up. You wouldn't be sold a battery with the car, but it would be delivered with a "borrowed" battery; when you swap, you pay for the juice in the battery plus an amortized portion of the battery's value, and joining the battery system would require insurance or a bond in case you don't return the batteries.

The battery swap system will take batteries with problems out of circulation, fix them and return to circulation, or recycle them.

A system like this would also be great for the used EV market, because you're never worried about the battery crapping out due to age.

That’s brilliant! Why has no one tried that before!

Oh wait, several have, and lost their shirts.

Is one of those things those who do not drive EVs think those who do, need. Just like gas stations on every street corner.

Even Tesla has tried it. Search YouTube for Tesla battery swap to see a robot change the battery out from under a Model S in 90 seconds. The first few years of Model S production were designed for this swap system.

No riddle me this: how much do you charge to rent a $20,000 battery that can easily be abused? Is my understanding Tesla charged $80 to swap. Plus one had to return within a period of time to get one’s original battery back. Don’t know if one was charged to pick up one’s charged battery. Don’t know if one was charged by the mike for the loaner battery, but it makes sense.

Tesla put one robotic battery swap station into operation for a year then shut it down. Not even Californians were willing to pay the necessary costs.

Think of the nightmare storing customer’s batteries separate from rental inventory? And does one dare operate such a multimillion dollar swap station without a full time attendant?