BleedingOrange
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EV owners of today and tomorrow
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"Batteries Are Not Green" attracts flies like breasts attract teenage boys.
Batteries are built under the same rules as all other products. Either "good enough" or not done at all.
"Boo hoo hoo, evil forces are enslaving children in Congo to mine and process cobalt!" Our Globalist politicians gifted an exclusive market to the 3rd World in misguided belief it would lift the 3rd World from poverty. Instead China moved in and institutionalized slavery and poverty. Which we continue to support by maintaining their exclusivity by refusing to produce what we have, what we can do cleaner than anyone else. This is slowly changing, will change much faster starting next week.
The USA was once the world's source of (not so rare) Rare Earths. Domestically mined and processed.
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Are we to assume you didn't grow up doing slave labor on a family farm but stayed clean all the time? What leads you to believe that the fossil fuel industry produces clean renewable energy.
Some of us are getting on up in years and need to be a little more frugal on our car ownership expenses.
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One of the reasons I have B.O. on ignore. Don't understand his vendetta against EV's.
No one is forcing him to buy one.
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Apparently nothing at all.
Apparently knows nothing about building EVs, thinks all they have to do is buy batteries and motors.
They have a contract for EV USPS trucks which was a Bidiot Pork Handout happily willing to overpay for what they were asking for. Now, Oshkosh is offering to build with ICE power in attempt to keep the contract without having to rebid.
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This is the most interesting summary and argument on the state of current and near-term FSD that I’ve seen. Or maybe I’m biased, I’ve always had a crush on this host. 
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While Chrysler turns 100 of this year, John talks about it may be short for this world. The name Chrysler that is.
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Stated before and will again that there will NEVER be an EV in this driveway for a number of reasons but..
2 weeks ago I went deer hunting in the northern lower of Michigan at our owned hunting property near Big Rapids, not only myself, but my cousin from Illinois who happens to own more than one Tesla, including a Cyber Truck.
We booked rooms at the local Hampton Inn which just happens to be across the road from a 'Supercharging' facility (coincidence maybe?).
Anyway we took the Cyber Truck out to the property numerous times with either myself or my cousin driving and I was quite impressed with the Cyber Truck's off road capability in as much as the only access to the ground is via seasonal (unmaintained) road and it was covered with a pretty deep layer of snow (it snows up there almost daily and snowed the entire time we were there).
My observations were, the Cyber Truck negotiated the seasonal, unplowed road very well with no wheel spin and the truck tells you to put it in 'off road' mode when it senses you have left the pavement. Off Road mode raises the entire body up 7" for ground clearance (and I presume to mitigate any damage to the battery) and changes how the motors react as well. The Cyber Truck he has came with large aggressive tires on nice looking alloy rims (he has what is called the 'Foundation Edition).
The interior has a lot of room inside, plenty of legroom and the front bucket seats are comfortable plus, it has a full size backseat as well as a spacious bed that is completely covered by an electric sliding hard tonneau cover. It's an impressive but stone ugly vehicle least in my view. I do like the instant heat versus an ICE where you have to wait for the motor to heat up to have interior heat. I don't like the severely sloped windshield and even my cousin said it was a royal PITA to clean. I also don't like the shape of the steering wheel, it's mildly rectangular and to me feels clumsy, but then I don't own it, I just drove it for a limited time.
Typical holds you back in the seat Tesla pickup on dry pavement and the vehicle automatically limits that on wet or snowy roads.
I see Musk addressed the cold ambient charging temperature issues as well. The battery either automatically 'conditions' itself prior to initiating a charge or if you just plug it into the Supercharge station, the battery conditions itself depending on ambient temp for between 5 and 15 minutes before it will accept a charge and it charges much quicker than his other Tesla's do (he told me that, I didn't observe it personally).
I have to presume that the battery has some sort of external cooling (heating) fluid circulating around it during the 'conditioning' sequence and probably has a heating element of sorts in that fluid to warm the battery. Whatever it has, it works peachy as it was well below freezing the entire time we were up there, actually, the high was 18 degrees and the truck rapidly charged up to 85 percent, no issue.
It self drives as well and what I found really neat was in self parks as in backs into a parking space between other vehicles, with no driver input at all and the rear facing cam is pretty neat and very accurate as well.
Anyway, I got to drive it as well as being a passenger and there was plenty of room in the bed for a couple 3 full size does (gutted of course) and the 2 of us plus one more hunter in the backseat, all the hunting gear and rifles too. The suspension automatically adjusts for the cargo weight as well.
I like it, again, I'd never own one even though he'd like me to buy one, I won't.
I don't like the funky steering wheel or the severely raked windshield or the brushed stainless outer body (he does and it's his not mine).
One thing very absent in it is a passenger assist handle on the front A pillar and I sent a note to Elon about just that. It really needs an assist handle, especially when exiting the vehicle, it's extremely hard to get out of with cold weather hunting gear and hunting boots on and impossible to get out of with the body raised in off road mode.
We surely got a lot of stares motoring around in it, never saw another Cyber Truck the entire 4 days were were there. Saw other Tesla's however.
Thought I'd give a report on it so people can maybe see what they are like.
I believe they start around 100 grand, depending on options and you can get a full body wrap at additional cost of course. He owns 2 others as well. One is a gullwing door sedan, his lovely wife drives and the other is a plain jane model he has at his place of business for his employees to use.
If anyone has any questions, leave them in this thread and I'll do my best to answer them.
2 weeks ago I went deer hunting in the northern lower of Michigan at our owned hunting property near Big Rapids, not only myself, but my cousin from Illinois who happens to own more than one Tesla, including a Cyber Truck.
We booked rooms at the local Hampton Inn which just happens to be across the road from a 'Supercharging' facility (coincidence maybe?).
Anyway we took the Cyber Truck out to the property numerous times with either myself or my cousin driving and I was quite impressed with the Cyber Truck's off road capability in as much as the only access to the ground is via seasonal (unmaintained) road and it was covered with a pretty deep layer of snow (it snows up there almost daily and snowed the entire time we were there).
My observations were, the Cyber Truck negotiated the seasonal, unplowed road very well with no wheel spin and the truck tells you to put it in 'off road' mode when it senses you have left the pavement. Off Road mode raises the entire body up 7" for ground clearance (and I presume to mitigate any damage to the battery) and changes how the motors react as well. The Cyber Truck he has came with large aggressive tires on nice looking alloy rims (he has what is called the 'Foundation Edition).
The interior has a lot of room inside, plenty of legroom and the front bucket seats are comfortable plus, it has a full size backseat as well as a spacious bed that is completely covered by an electric sliding hard tonneau cover. It's an impressive but stone ugly vehicle least in my view. I do like the instant heat versus an ICE where you have to wait for the motor to heat up to have interior heat. I don't like the severely sloped windshield and even my cousin said it was a royal PITA to clean. I also don't like the shape of the steering wheel, it's mildly rectangular and to me feels clumsy, but then I don't own it, I just drove it for a limited time.
Typical holds you back in the seat Tesla pickup on dry pavement and the vehicle automatically limits that on wet or snowy roads.
I see Musk addressed the cold ambient charging temperature issues as well. The battery either automatically 'conditions' itself prior to initiating a charge or if you just plug it into the Supercharge station, the battery conditions itself depending on ambient temp for between 5 and 15 minutes before it will accept a charge and it charges much quicker than his other Tesla's do (he told me that, I didn't observe it personally).
I have to presume that the battery has some sort of external cooling (heating) fluid circulating around it during the 'conditioning' sequence and probably has a heating element of sorts in that fluid to warm the battery. Whatever it has, it works peachy as it was well below freezing the entire time we were up there, actually, the high was 18 degrees and the truck rapidly charged up to 85 percent, no issue.
It self drives as well and what I found really neat was in self parks as in backs into a parking space between other vehicles, with no driver input at all and the rear facing cam is pretty neat and very accurate as well.
Anyway, I got to drive it as well as being a passenger and there was plenty of room in the bed for a couple 3 full size does (gutted of course) and the 2 of us plus one more hunter in the backseat, all the hunting gear and rifles too. The suspension automatically adjusts for the cargo weight as well.
I like it, again, I'd never own one even though he'd like me to buy one, I won't.
I don't like the funky steering wheel or the severely raked windshield or the brushed stainless outer body (he does and it's his not mine).
One thing very absent in it is a passenger assist handle on the front A pillar and I sent a note to Elon about just that. It really needs an assist handle, especially when exiting the vehicle, it's extremely hard to get out of with cold weather hunting gear and hunting boots on and impossible to get out of with the body raised in off road mode.
We surely got a lot of stares motoring around in it, never saw another Cyber Truck the entire 4 days were were there. Saw other Tesla's however.
Thought I'd give a report on it so people can maybe see what they are like.
I believe they start around 100 grand, depending on options and you can get a full body wrap at additional cost of course. He owns 2 others as well. One is a gullwing door sedan, his lovely wife drives and the other is a plain jane model he has at his place of business for his employees to use.
If anyone has any questions, leave them in this thread and I'll do my best to answer them.
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