EV owners of today and tomorrow

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This could be a huge solution for some posting here chopping at the bits to own an EV, but do not have the intestinal fortitude to stand against the peer pressure they're feeling. :)
Gale, you could be a theater owner the way you like to project your feelings onto others. I think you missed your calling!


For many of us, projecting feelings onto others is something we do without even realizing it. We see in others the very things we cannot accept in ourselves. This tendency can negatively impact our closest relationships.
 
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I was going to jump up and say that I don't understand the point of electric conversions, as here in the northeast, the drivetrain of any vehicle always outlasts the body. But I guess for those in the south, or especially the southwest, that might not be the case. Maybe your cars last long enough to eventually require a new engine?

Living in the land of road salt, we just don't often have good reason to need to replace an engine, within the typical lifespan of our vehicles. Other than hotrodders swapping engines for more horsepower, or the rare idiot who blows an engine from not changing fluids, engine swaps are not very common up here. They happen, but I suspect not with any frequency enough to support a company like GM offering it as a standard product.

There are occasional in-warranty dealer-executed swaps due to manufacturing defects, but of course those get the OEM engine, not an electric conversion.
I think manufacturers have gotten better at preventing rust in recent years. I've got an 08 Accent sitting in the driveway with 240k miles on it and almost no rust. We see a lot of salt and calcium chloride here in Central Illinois. Our 2018 and 2019 vehicles show no signs of rust either. The 2002 F150 has a lot of body rust but the frame is fine.
 
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I think manufacturers have gotten better at preventing rust in recent years. I've got an 08 Accent sitting in the driveway with 240k miles on it and almost no rust. We see a lot of salt and calcium chloride here in Central Illinois. Our 2018 and 2019 vehicles show no signs of rust either. The 2002 F150 has a lot of body rust but the frame is fine.
I'm sure you're right. But they've also gotten very good at building drivetrains that go 200 - 300,000 miles! :p
 
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Here is an aspect of self driving cars and it's AI needs that perhaps isn't widely known.......the infrastructure needs and energy required for the AI world , (folks like Gale are clamoring society to get )... whether clean or dirty will depend which country is jumping to build these data centres But we all know China, and India will jump on board using coal burning infrastructure primarily. Sadly this supposed great new AI frontier that was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread , its dark sides are now being exposed ......the genies out of the bottle now, Glad I won't be around to see that mess. With exponential growth, energy-intensive AI data centres may soon outstrip all the energy Canada can throw at them
 
   / EV owners of today and tomorrow #1,645  
Here is an aspect of self driving cars and it's AI needs that perhaps isn't widely known.......the infrastructure needs and energy required for the AI world , (folks like Gale are clamoring society to get )... whether clean or dirty will depend which country is jumping to build these data centres But we all know China, and India will jump on board using coal burning infrastructure primarily. Sadly this supposed great new AI frontier that was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread , its dark sides are now being exposed ......the genies out of the bottle now, Glad I won't be around to see that mess. With exponential growth, energy-intensive AI data centres may soon outstrip all the energy Canada can throw at them
Tesla's AI-driven FSD (supervised) is completely in the vehicle.
 
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Here is an aspect of self driving cars and it's AI needs that perhaps isn't widely known.......the infrastructure needs and energy required for the AI world , (folks like Gale are clamoring society to get )... whether clean or dirty will depend which country is jumping to build these data centres But we all know China, and India will jump on board using coal burning infrastructure primarily. Sadly this supposed great new AI frontier that was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread , its dark sides are now being exposed ......the genies out of the bottle now, Glad I won't be around to see that mess. With exponential growth, energy-intensive AI data centres may soon outstrip all the energy Canada can throw at them
And a second point to be made is that someone thinks they are getting more value from the results of AI computing than the cost of the power to feed it.

"Boo hoo hoo! AI uses a lot of power! An much of that comes from coal, oil, natural gas, evil hydrocarbons!" is a lameass wimpy argument worthy of Flat Earth.
 
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And a second point to be made is that someone thinks they are getting more value from the results of AI computing than the cost of the power to feed it.
Agreed. If the AI capable of matching the output of 1000 office workers uses less energy than the daily lives of those 1000 office workers, then it's an efficiency win. I haven't run the numbers, but I would be absolutely astounded if people use less energy than an eventually-matured AI capable of similar output.
 
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Agreed. If the AI capable of matching the output of 1000 office workers uses less energy than the daily lives of those 1000 office workers, then it's an efficiency win. I haven't run the numbers, but I would be absolutely astounded if people use less energy than an eventually-matured AI capable of similar output.
Long, long ago, and far, far away, I received an email apparently addressed to me, from an editor at Forbes writing a kill piece on why computers were never going to improve American business and productivity.

With some digging around, there was a senior economist of the same name nearby, and the Forbes editor had probably messed up the address, but I wasn't particularly sympathetic to his view point and at that time emails were readily discoverable, so it was clear that the editor was a computer Luddite.

What to do? I waited until the editor's stated deadline was close, and then sent a well written (I thought) response on why computers were going to improve American productivity. Even though I signed my full name, for some reason the editor never responded.;) Yes, I still read Forbes; I just don't take their views as gospel.

I do think that it can be quite difficult to foresee the impact of new developments or technology accurately. Looking back and American energy transitions, wood, water, coal, steam, oil, electricity, etc., it took awhile for the benefits, and costs, to shake out. New Hampshire and much of New England got clearcut for charcoal for steel making in the late 1700s, before coal became more common. Lots of dams got built to power mills in the northeast, and then production and energy sources shifted. I think sometimes it is hard to see the forest for the trees.

In history, there have always been early adopters and the mainstream. Oftentimes with the benefit of hindsight, I think both sides often get a little wound up in consuming their own Koolaid. E.g. Tesla and Edison, AC vs DC.

All the best,

Peter
 
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Replacing the starter on this Volkswagen hybrid seems complex to me but I've never torn into any hybrid from any maker.

We do own a 2015 Prius C that serves mainly as a backup car for the kids now that they live out of town and when they come in and want two cars to drive, I find it a very dependable and simple car. As long as you have an entrance ramp to the interstate that is three plus miles long. 🙂

I purchased it about three plus years ago to check out Toyota's hybrid technology because I was considering buying a Toyota RAV4 Prime but that fell through for a full EV.
 
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We do own a 2015 Prius C that serves mainly as a backup car for the kids now that they live out of town and when they come in and want two cars to drive, I find it a very dependable and simple car. As long as you have an entrance ramp to the interstate that is three plus miles long. 🙂
I bought a 2007 Prius new. It wasn't nearly as slow as you say the Prius C.
 
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