Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations

   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #21  
I've found Stabil to be good for about a year in sealed 55gal drums. PRI-G is a much better product and will last 3-5 years, and the fuel can be re-newed with another dose of PRI.
 
   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #22  
You can also rotate out your stored stock of gasoline though your cars and trucks. If I have some that's been around for half a year or more (rare, but it happens, especially in winters without much snow and no need to plow), I put it into my Suburban. I dump 6 gallons of that into the 42 gallon tank on the Suburban, and a fill up at the station plus get the 6 gallon can topped off and I'm good for another 6 months. ;)
 
   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #23  
Gasoline with or without ethanol and with or without a stabilizer will last years. Yes 5 or more years. As long as the fuel systems are not gummed up and they're not contaminated with water, the engines will start and run fine. I can't tell you how many times I've been totally surprised. 2 and 4 stroke both. They may not produce peak HP but it's typically not an issue in small engines.

DEWFPO
 
   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #24  
Gasoline fuels all go bad. Controlling factors are heat, time, seasonal mixture, oxygen exposure and others. Seafoam works and it goes in all our fuels we don't utilize within a few weeks. Go figure.

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Copied from Live silence. Does Gasoline Go Bad?

With the final, carefully calibrated product, the gasoline is composed of hundreds of different compounds too many to even identify and characterize, Speight said.

However, this care in balancing the gasoline goes to waste if the gasoline is stored for too long, said Richard Stanley, a former chemical engineer for Fluor Corporation, an engineering firm headquartered in Irving, Texas, and Ascent Engineering, based in Houston.

"If you leave gasoline by itself, over time ... it just doesn't perform the way you think it's going to perform, Stanley said.

This is because, over time, "[t]he lighter hydrocarbons start evaporating out of gasoline," Stanley told Live Science. And your car engine may not be designed to handle the resultant gasoline, if left too long.

Additionally, the careful blends that are used to produce gasoline don't look the same throughout the year, according to experts. In the winter, companies produce a gasoline containing lighter hydrocarbons, making the liquid more volatile and therefore easier to ignite.

During the colder months, this blend makes it easier to start your car, Speight said. But in the summertime, the blend loses enough of the lighter hydrocarbons, leaving you with a different gas rating, according to Stanley. Summer gasoline contains heavier hydrocarbons to prevent excessive evaporation from the heat. This makes summer-blend gasoline difficult to ignite in the winter, Stanley said.

Aside from evaporation, "[gasoline] is like wine once you take it out of the bottle, it starts going bad. It starts oxidizing away," Stanley said.

As some of the hydrocarbons in the gasoline evaporate, other hydrocarbons react with the oxygen in the air, Speight said. The gasoline then begins to form solids called gum. [The 10 Most Polluted Places on Earth]

"[O]nce [the bad gasoline] gets into the pipeline, that gum may separate out ... and maybe [it will] not block the gas line fully, but maybe [it will] start to block it," Speight said.

"You can almost say that gumming of the gas lines is like atherosclerosis," he added, which is a disease in which cholesterol plaques build up in arteries.

In short, you want to store your gasoline in cool, low-oxygen environments, Speight said.

Additionally, one of the other main ingredients in gasoline in the United States is ethanol. In fact, most of the gasoline sold in the United States is made up of 10 percent ethanol, or a blend called E10, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. In the Midwest, the heartland of ethanol production, the blend can go as high as E85, or 85 percent ethanol.

However, unlike hydrocarbons, ethanol is hydrophilic, meaning it bonds to water.

"If there痴 ethanol in your gasoline, it could start sucking in water vapor from the air and putting it into your gasoline," Stanley said. "You don't want water in your engine, because it starts corroding the system."

All in all, while the experts agree there are too many variables to determine exactly when gasoline goes bad, they all urge caution with handling and storing gasoline.

"Remember, gasoline is very, very volatile," Speight said. "It's not worth trying to store large amounts. It can just result in trouble.

"Anything that makes the gasoline a little more volatile than it normally is affects the gasoline," he added. This includes temperature, humidity or, as Speight joked, "on a hot day ... looking at the stuff the wrong way."

Original article on Live Science.
 
   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #25  
Treat diesel with power Service. I am going 40+volt battery on my small engine stuff.

Ron

That's the true winner. I've got a Stihl brush cutter I've had for over 20 years. Good machine, but I'm just tired of fiddling with the carb & the gas & now the water absorbing rubber eating ethanol. My new Ryobi brush cutter & 2 batteries will get me an hour of cutting. Only 75% the power & cutting speed. But when you figure in time playing with fuel, maintnance & retuning the carb, the battery wins out.

I'm slowly trying to get rid of gas engines, other than cars.
 
   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #26  
I keep 10 gallons non ethanol around all year.
One 5 gallon and 2 spill free 2.5 gallons.
This pretty much keeps the cans stored full and air free.
I use the 2.5s up first then refill them from the 5 gallon can.
Always use Amsoil fuel conditioner and Seafoam.
Replaced my 3 chainsaws with a 20 volt and a bigger 60 volt Dewalt battery saw. Both start up first time..always.
Use the gas for the rider mower and generators for our occasional power outages.
 
   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #27  
I know people that use unleaded aviation gasoline, both 94 and 100 octane. Someone that works on engines says this could be a bad practice because the high energy could break the crankshafts. Anybody heard of this??
they may have been confusing nitromethane with higher octane. if you use too much nitromethane in an engine with a cast crankshaft, it's possible. you need a forged crankshaft to handle that..
 
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I’m yet to be convinced about outdoor battery operated power equipment. Yes, I have three 18 volt drills and a 24 volt Dewalt ‘skill’ saw that perform as advertised. Still in the gas camp for chainsaws and brush cutters/ weed hackers however.
Now sold on the benefits of ethinol free gasoline. At the end of the snow season last year we bought a new Toro snow thrower for the deck and odd areas inconvenient to use the tractor mounted blade. Used the snow thrower once and, according to the owners manual, retired the machine for the summer with a full tank of regular gasoline and a recommended dose of Stabil. First snow of this season retrieved the machine from it’s summer hibernation, plugged in the starter and crank, crank, but no go. No amount of tinkering would bring the beast to life. Decided it was time to get on the ethonal free band wagon.
Removed all the gasoline from the tank and let it air out overnight. Refilled said tank with ethanol free gasoline and a healthy dose of Seafoam.
Wala, a two second push on the starter button and she springs to life. First couple minutes runs a little rough and then settles in to a predictable cadence and ready to go to work.

B. John
 
   / Ethonal free gasoline storage limitations #29  
Last i looked seafoam dosnt state that it treats fuel for storage.

I have used stabil (the blue stuff) for years. The red stuff is now useless with E10 fuel. Small amounts of fuel go bad quicker so starting your small engines every month or so really helps.

I have treated 5 gal jugs of E10 with blue stabil and it burned good after a year. It didnt smell great but i have bought 93 octain E free fuel that was yellow and smelled bad right out of the pump. That fuel didnt last 4 months even stabilized.

I think the buggest thing is to get the freshest fuel you can get. If the gas station has 8 different kinds of fuel drive away unless your getting 87 octain E10.
 

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