EPA issue ban on wood stoves

[madmax12]

I've heated with wood since 1976. I've used a variety of stoves. I was worried when the first epa rules came through with the need for more efficiency and catalytic converters. I was worried that I would not be able to replace my stove. I ended up buying a shenandoah- inexpensive, big capacity, and no epa stuff tacked on. My guess is that they will be still selling their stoves. Buy the cleaner stoves if you afford it, but check out shenandoahs. I'm on my 2nd (18yr on the first), and its identical to my first one.
Sometimes these regs are more fuss than anything. There will always be a stove to buy.

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Too Funny

 

[madmax12]

I've heated with wood since 1976. I've used a variety of stoves. I was worried when the first epa rules came through with the need for more efficiency and catalytic converters. I was worried that I would not be able to replace my stove. I ended up buying a shenandoah- inexpensive, big capacity, and no epa stuff tacked on. My guess is that they will be still selling their stoves. Buy the cleaner stoves if you afford it, but check out shenandoahs. I'm on my 2nd (18yr on the first), and its identical to my first one.
Sometimes these regs are more fuss than anything. There will always be a stove to buy.

A lot to consider

 

[tcreeley]

A friend at work has a 2010 chevy pu with an 8 that turns into a 4 to save gas. When it goes to a 4, the outside cylinders cool and shrink. When it goes back to an 8 the pistons do a job on the cam lifters and cylinder walls. GM doesn't "fix" this, it just replaces some worn parts and the problem goes on. -So the EPA set the regs, but GM screws around with the customer and produces a poor design. Maybe the outside cut off cylinders should have been inside where the heat would be better retained, anyway- design flaw. 5.3 LC9 AFM DOD Cam issues - LS1TECH

 

[tcreeley]

It "wood" be nice if our Federal agencies acted on our behalf and provided comprehesive "improvement and upgrade" guide lines for existing stoves.

The Fischer stove down stairs is over 30 years old, and still burns wood as new (brick lined!)

I "wood" love to get 90% efficiency from that same stove. ;-)

Burn hot, burn short, feed often!

Fischers are good stoves, When we bought our stove- the Fischers were out of our range.

-If you want efficiency, I think you lose control over your fire. Efficiency requires hotter burns. Now I can throw 2 pieces in, barely touching and keep them on smolder for 24 hours with the stove turned down and the damper set low. It produces smoke and creosote, but it lasts and heats the house just a bit when the temp is in the 30's outside.
The old stoves weren't air tight and always burned hot and fast, and clean! But you went through wood!

 

[chopped]

WELL described....

Fischers are good stoves, When we bought our stove- the Fischers were out of our range.

-If you want efficiency, I think you lose control over your fire. Efficiency requires hotter burns. Now I can throw 2 pieces in, barely touching and keep them on smolder for 24 hours with the stove turned down and the damper set low. It produces smoke and creosote, but it lasts and heats the house just a bit when the temp is in the 30's outside.
The old stoves weren't air tight and always burned hot and fast, and clean! But you went through wood!

 

[Fastowl]

And the reason the tanks leaked is because the mandated rust proof fiberglass tanks required here are not compatible with MTBE

Ask anyone in the boating and the problems with fiberglass fuel tanks and MTBE are horrific... even to the point some area marina are again permitted to sell without it.

Not everyone is a loser... the local mower shop was able to expand his business simply because of all the fuel issues it caused in the name of cleaner air.

You are confusing MTBE with ethanol. MTBE has been out of the gasoline pool in the US for nearly a decade. The problem was the tanks were already leaking prior to the introduction of MTBE. And if you recall MTBE was introduced at the behest of the EPA to reduce smog forming emissions; i.e. adding oxygenated fuel reduced the production of NOX, etc.

The reason that the underground tank leaks were identified is that MTBE is soluble in water. The tanks had been leaking for years but as you know, gasoline is immiscible in water and 'floats' on top and doesn't show up down hole where the wells were drawing the water. Instead the MTBE went into solution in the water and all of a sudden folks are seeing contaminants in their water supplies where in reality there was contamination of the aquifer going all along.

Regarding the fiberglass. It is ethanol that is attacking the fiberglass tanks not MTBE. Question that? Here is one study: BoatUS: Seaworthy