Dump trailer blues... sometimes a lot is just too much.

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I have been trying to get by without a dump trailer for about 6 months, making due and doubling trips, and it is taking much more time than I have available to get jobs completed.

I've been looking for one for a while, and rented a bumper pull a few weeks ago. I think the bed was either 10 or 12', but regardless, it was essentially useless for my farm purposes. It would be great for gravel etc. But I have too many needs which are lighter in weight and bigger in volume and it just didn't cut it at all. I had planned on keeping it for a weekend, but took it back the same day after the battery went dead on the 5th dump.

So, now, I've found a few that I 'think' would be good, but I have become mired in options/alternatives. And I'd like some opinions.

It will be pulled with a 2006 F350 CC diesel. Gooseneck, bumper, or pintle. I currently have an older but certainly serviceable 22' GN deck over flat bed I use for hauling equipment.

I have a predilection for gooseneck, simply because I've always like the convenience of control and ease of pull. Obviously they have many of both types. I have a 2006 Sequoia and a 2003 Tahoe both with bumper hitches, but they would not be a primary puller, if ever. But obviously they are completely out with a GN. I'm not really putting them in the equation, but I've never had a dump trailer, and you would know how important it is to have the ability to use different vehicles at different times.

Use will be for the farm. I have dirt to move, trash/trees/fence to move, gravel (at times, big stuff such as roads I order delivered), basically, anything and everything you can think of, I have on this farm. Might be used to move hay in/out of the field. It will primarily be used on the farm itself, but obviously will, at times, be taken on road. The farm is in the process of being built, it has some hills, but not huge or too steep. I'm not really worried about being able to pull it loaded up/down the hills, but I do think about Center of Gravity on the side hills. That will become more apparent in a moment. Gravel roads and just plain old dirt.

I am drawn to the deckover drop side dump trailers. They seem very useful to me, allowing access from the side. But, they have a higher Center of Gravity by about 7-8". With the side dropped, the height of the bed is less than that of the Low boy style regular dumps, so tossing things in won't/shouldn't be much if any, harder.

But, I don't know whether they are useful enough to take a constantly higher COG. Or whether it really makes a difference at all.

A dealer 3hrs away has a very gently used Load Trail 8x16' deckover about $800 less than a new one. He has both on the lot. He also has Diamond C trailers, which were intriguing. These were 7gu sheet and looked to be built very well. I was intrigued by the 'low pro' style trailer sitting right next to the Load Trail deckover. Both looked very well built. Welds were good, both were Powder Coated (which is a minus), Dexter, Interstate battery. The Diamond C was a little more $.

I've read here, that the LowPro can be nice, but gets stuck/high centered easily, which would make it difficult in the pastures/etc.

My question is, what is your opinion on:

1. Bumper vs GN in my situation?
2. Deckover vs regular vs LowPro style

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I used a regular 2 axle 10' dumper behind the tractor around the farm. Plumbed it direct to a rear remote. It was small for some jobs and too light for others. I found that the "highway" suspension was really not up to full or mostly off road service. If I were to get another one, it would be made for a tractor like Berkelmans Welding Hydraulic Farm Dump Trailers and Manure Haulers
Sorry I didn't directly answer you, it just sounds like we had very similar use's for a dump trailer and this was my experience. Depending on your soils, it doesn't take many trips over the same road with those narrow road tires before you start making rut's or "pumping" the water up out of the ground.
 
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I've seen those, and they look great. I have a 1yr need for one of those, probably the 12T.

The issue is, the only thing I have to pull it is also what I have to load it. Just isn't feasible. As much as I'd like it. If I had a CTL, then it would be much more of an option. But, it still wouldn't help me with getting to the dump.

I've never seen one used.
 
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I bought a PJ DS dump PJ Trailers | 91" Deckover Dump a little over a year ago and I love it. I got it to primarily haul my 50HP New Holland Boomer, but I've been using the dump more and more. It has a 16' deck with removable sides, and a gooseneck. I upgraded to the 8k axles and 17.5 tires so I would never worry about tire issues. The 215/75-17.5 tires are rated at 4800lbs each! The only drawback I've noticed is the scissor lift has only a single hydraulic cylinder, whereas the dual wheeled dumps usually have 2. I had 3 cords of almond firewood stacked just barely above the 36" sides and the thing strained to get the bed off the chassis. I had to lift by hand and the extra 100+lbs I was giving it was enough to do the job. If I was hauling a lot of gravel, I may consider the dual dump since the cost wasn't much more. On the other hand, my DS handles 5 yards of crushed concrete road base with absolutely no problems. I vote for the GN and as for the high center of gravity... I haven't been worried about tipping in the least bit. I've always been the type to buy more than what I need, than to repeatedly overload a smaller trailer
 
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The deck over allows you to dump in a pile easier. I really would not worry about COG at low, off-road travel speeds. It just isn't an issue anywhere your truck or tractor can go. Of course dumping while off-camber is a problem with any style. At hiway speeds, especially for people who use them to haul equipment, I could see low-pro being advantageous. The only other good reason I can think of to go low-pro would be if you wanted to load the trailer with a SCUT or load a SCUT on the trailer.

Bumper pull will be easier to move with your tractors? I use mine that way ALOT.

Pay close attention to the maximum dump angle. They are not all the same. I wouldn't be surprised if deck-over weren't generally steeper. As I'm sure you know, with anything even a little moist every degree counts.

You are right that powder coat sucks for dump trailers. As the metal flexes with use the powder coat cracks and sheets off. But most are indeed powder coated.
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I have a 16' Cross Country Dump trailer. Its a bumper pull rated for 13,800 (10K load). Tows great with my 2016 2500HD and 2 5/16" ball.
Re: the one you rented, you may want to check your trailer plug on the truck. When its plugged in your truck should recharge the trailer battery. If it went dead after 5 dumps its not charging.
Mine has the single cylinder and does strain with a full load as Tyler mentioned.
 

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I have a 16' Cross Country Dump trailer. Its a bumper pull rated for 13,800 (10K load). Tows great with my 2016 2500HD and 2 5/16" ball.
Re: the one you rented, you may want to check your trailer plug on the truck. When its plugged in your truck should recharge the trailer battery. If it went dead after 5 dumps its not charging.
Mine has the single cylinder and does strain with a full load as Tyler mentioned.

Do you have support to put under those ramps when loading/unloading?
I sure do hope so.
 
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Do you have support to put under those ramps when loading/unloading?
I sure do hope so.

Ramps are rated for 5000 lb. each according to mfg. Tractor weighs 5600. Driving tractor up ramps raises the truck a little but not off the ground. Truck and trailer were on level ground and wheels blocked. The pic of the tractor on the trailer is only to show it can be used that way. Bed has 6 D-rings for tie down points.
I don't use the dump trailer to haul the tractor. I use a 22' 14K PJ TL tilt bed for the tractor or other vehicles.
 
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I have a 16' Cross Country Dump trailer. Its a bumper pull rated for 13,800 (10K load). Tows great with my 2016 2500HD and 2 5/16" ball.
Re: the one you rented, you may want to check your trailer plug on the truck. When its plugged in your truck should recharge the trailer battery. If it went dead after 5 dumps its not charging.
Mine has the single cylinder and does strain with a full load as Tyler mentioned.

That's a good looking trailer. The workmanship looks much nicer than my PJ.
 
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That's a good looking trailer. The workmanship looks much nicer than my PJ.

Yes it is well built. The Mfg. is here in NY about 75 miles south from me. Mine was a special order. Standard lengths are 10,12, and 14'. Mine is 16' and 80" wide. Has D ring tie downs, slide in HD ramps, LED lighting, 12K jack. Came with wired remote for up / down and I added a wireless remote.
Not sure what model PJ you have but my PJ seems to be built with the same quality. Dump trailer is rated for 13,800 and PJ is 14K.
 
 
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