Do you know why people work on their own tractors?

   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #51  
They move on because working with the general public sucks.
Everyone should have to work a retail or food service job for at least a year.
Then it's possible more manners would be displayed.

I currently work behind the counter at a parts chain so my view point is a little different. This attitude that all service staff are idiots and cheats just make the job harder.

If I encourage the lowest price, I'm peddling garbage...
If I encourage the premium quality, I'm trying to gouge the customer...
If I encourage the middle road, I'm wishy washy...

Some problems are harder to solve than others.... Spark plugs for a
'32 model "A" take a little longer to locate than an oil filter for a '00 chevy pickup although the patience level is about the same regardless.

If you find a counterman you like dealing with, go back again. It might cost a little more, but service is worth a couple bucks. Just like anything else, starting a good relationship with your counterman makes it easier for both of you. I try to remember my regulars names and they seem to remember mine.
I can't remember some names but I remember what they drive. My co workers have similar abillities. We are out there.

Just some thoughts from the trenches.
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #52  
I could have swore i mentioned this last time.

when you show up to pick up the next day to do your job, and yours isnt ready, you pull up behind that shiny new one and loader' up. Let them know youll have it back when yours is fixed.

LoneCowboy said:
The wife brings it in at 10am Thursday, says we have a job with it Friday, need it back. Needs the electrical problem fixed, needs the overheating fixed, needs adjustment to get it in adn out of 4wd and the 3point raise needs adjustment (it has two speeds, slam it down, and slam it down hard). I call back at 4pm, because I need to go get it. He says " i haven't even written teh work order"

What the heck? I brought it in when you told me to bring it in. You assembled it (which is really starting to worry me) and it has a grand total of 3 (yes, three) hours on it. GO FIX IT.
AT 9am today, the owner is getting called. I'm beyond livid. I had to look like an idiot and mvoe the job today, and I'm not sure what I can book.
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #53  
ScottAR said:
If you find a counterman you like dealing with, go back again. It might cost a little more, but service is worth a couple bucks. Just like anything else, starting a good relationship with your counterman makes it easier for both of you. I try to remember my regulars names and they seem to remember mine.
I can't remember some names but I remember what they drive. My co workers have similar abillities. We are out there.

Just some thoughts from the trenches.

I know you're out there. I just wish there were more of you and it was easier to spot who had a clue and who didn't.

Keep up the good work. All of us here at TBN and thousands of others like us are depending on guys like you.
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #54  
upmost respect for parts guys, underpaid over worked and never apreciated. no other job can make a rednecks day or really upset him like the parts guy can do.
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #55  
Thanks guys...

Upon reflection, I came across a little grumpy...I'm sorry...

As much as I enjoy my good customers a bad one will ruin your entire day.

I'm actually pretty lucky. I cut my teeth in a old time parts store where the newest guy there (besides me) had 15yrs experience and the boss had nearly 40. They kept a close watch on me and guided me in how the job works/ed.
In an odd twist, I still work with those guys at a chain store. The "boss" is now retired and delivers a couple days a week. Out of 10 counter folk, there's only a couple newbies and like before we keep a close watch on them and teach as much as possible.

Our compeition at the chains are nearly all newbies and frankly not much compeition. There major problem is there are no old timers around to teach them how. There other major problem is they don't help one another solve problems. Too interested in stealing commission sales.

The company I work for figures an average commission on the whole store. If you go over, you make that much extra. If you don't, you still get the average. The more everyone helps, the more everyone gets. Works well.
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #56  
When people ask me what tractor brand is best I answer with "What dealer is best?"
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #57  
It seems like this post has taken a turn in direction from why people do their own work to why it is difficult to find a good technician (mechanic). After seeing the number of views on this post, I feel compeled to voice my opinion as to some causes of poor service and a lack of skilled techs.

Licensing? Call a plumber to unstop your toilet and he has to have passed a state trade exam and have documented experience of two or more years. Call an electrician to replace the circuit breaker in your electrical panel and he also has to have passed a trade exam and have documented experience. Your auto tech. No licensing, no experience needed. Just buy a set of tools from sears and your ready to go.

Compensation? Almost all techs work on flat rate. They are paid only for the number of hours billed. If a job takes 4 hours to diagnose and the flat rate is for 1/2 hour then the tech gets paid for 1/2 hour. It is no secret warranty work pays about half of the time it actually takes. When I worked as a dealership tech it paid no more than 4/10 of an hour and most cases less to diagnose check enigne lights. I am sorry but I could not get the keys to the car, find the car, test drive the car, diagnose the problem, stand in line at the parts department, replace the part, and return the defective warranty part and return the car to the lot in 4/10 of an hour. Oh, and if the problem cannot be pinpointed, you better make an educated guess and put a part on it anyway so you can get paid something. But if the car comes back ( a comback) you are going to diagnose the problem for FREE cause warranty pays only one time per problem. Additionally, as business slows down as it always does when school starts in the fall and when winter sets in, the tech finds himself standing around most of the day with nothing to do and no money to be made. The dealer owner does not care because the tech is not costing him anything anyway. He just needs to overstaff for the summer busy season. Another point. Overtime pay. Forget it. Technicians are exempt from overtime laws; they fall into the same category as the lettuce and tomato pickers.

Tools? These are bought and paid for by the technicians. Yes, some special diagnostic tools are provided by the dealer but hand tools, power tools, tool boxes etc are paid for by the techs. Any professional tech learns very quickly professionaly quality tools are not bought in the local department store regardless of what the ads say. I would say the average tech has at least 20 grand in tools.

Commission? Everybody's pay including the parts department employees, shop forman, techs, and service manager is based upon hours turned and parts sold. So, If you are in management who is going to be the favorite tech for the week. It is not the tech who is consencious, thorough, careful, ethical, explains things to the customer and fixes the problem right the first time. It is going to be the tech that turnes the most hours not the one that satisfies the customer.

Knowledge? The smarter a tech is usually the more he knows so the more complex problems he is given. He might be paid a dollar or two more per hour than the guy doing straight forward no diagnostic type work like wheel alignments and brake jobs also known as gravy work (fattens the wallet), however; at the end of the week the high tech tech ends up earning much less than the low tech tech. We used to have a saying, "the more you know, the less you make."

Working Conditions? In the summer you work in plus 100 degree shops and in the winter you stand over a warm engine like a bum stands over a burning barrel to get warm. In most cases the only air conditioning you get is when on a test drive. Chemical exposure is an accepted hazzard. Lets see, there is asbestos, chlorinated cleaners, posionous antifreeze, cancerous used engine oil, carbon monoxide, sulfuric acid and the list goes on. Batteries can explode at anytime without warning, tires can explode because some one used a fix a flat, fingers and hands amputated by moving blades and shafts, high voltage can electrocute, loaded springs can kill you, a bursting hose can burn you, vehicles can slip and crush, and the list goes on.

Technology? Equipment continually evolves technologically. More control modules, more sensors, more switches all lead to more potential problems. Tractors and cars are ever changing. When is the last time the human body changed? When is the last time masonary changed significantly? Each model year and model change requires new knowledge. Techs have to study on their own time to stay on the technology wave or they will fall off and be left behind.

I could list several more reasons why it is hard to find a good tech but it should not be hard to understand why it is difficult to get good people to become techs and even more difficult to keep good techs in the business. I spoke to a heating, ventilation and air-conditioning (HVAC) supervisior recently about where their industry finds good HVAC technicians. They find techs who are burnt out on the auto repair industry.

I have read time and time again on this forum people complaining about poor service yet nobody seems to want to pay for good service. How much does your barber charge. Mine costs me $15 per hair cut which takes 10 minutes. That is 90 dollars per hour and I do not think hair cutting has changed a lot nor requires relatively expensive tools and diagnostic equipment and nearly the skills a tech does, but it does require a barber's license. Yet nobody complains about the costs. Then why is it people think it is too expensive to spend $200 for a shop to send out an expensive truck and trailer to pickup and return a tractor to the shop which surely would take more than two hours. YOU TELL ME.
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #58  
wrenchturner said:
It seems like this post has taken a turn in direction from why people do their own work to why it is difficult to find a good technician (mechanic). After seeing the number of views on this post, I feel compeled to voice my opinion as to some causes of poor service and a lack of skilled techs.

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Wrench,

All very good points, but if I may say, it sounds like you may be about ready to become a HVAC tech!

On a diesel forum, a dealer tech posted a lot of sound advice and could diagnose most issues correctly (which is hard across the net!!). He is now running his own diesel repair / mod shop and busy all the time with people traveling long distance to get a caring, skilled person to work on their trucks. Just a "bug in your ear" ...

jb
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #59  
wrenchturner said:
It seems like this post has taken a turn in direction from why people do their own work to why it is difficult to find a good technician (mechanic).

I don't think it's much of a turn. The reason so many of us do our own work is BECAUSE it's difficult to find a good tech/mechanic. Therefore, the reasons that it's hard to find a good tech are the same reasons why we do our own work.

Why is it so hard to find a good mechanic? Same reason for any shortage in our free market economy. Supply and demand.

People apparently don't demand enough that technicians and/or mechanics be good at it. We tolerate the substandard service that is a result of all the reasons listed by wrenchturner. We pay the shop and then come here to gripe about it. We may actually be our own worst enemies. By doing our own work, we are taking the business/profit away from the good shops. I'm as guilty as anyone.

If we could make it more profitable for a shop to have good techs and care about the cars, trucks, and tractors that they service, we'd have a bigger supply of good techs and good service.

Is it customary to tip a good auto tech? ;)
 
   / Do you know why people work on their own tractors? #60  
Iplayfarmer said:
Why is it so hard to find a good mechanic? Same reason for any shortage in our free market economy. Supply and demand.

People apparently don't demand enough that technicians and/or mechanics be good at it. We tolerate the substandard service that is a result of all the reasons listed by wrenchturner.

There's a lot of reasons good techs are hard to find...

The job doesn't really pay that well and the folks who are smart enough to be a good tech go to college instead. There's more money in Engineering then turning a wrench.
And, those higher rates at the dealer are to cover a lot of very expensive overhead
Skilled workers of any sort are in short supply...not just automotive techs.
 

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