DK50SE HST

[jj4osu]

I have a local quote on a DK50SE HST with 401 loader for $22,700.

Is this a reasonable price?? I'd just about given up on HST in something about this size bc JD, NH, Kubota all up near 30k...Just found we had a local Kioti dealer, thought the closest was ~300m away....

After ditching the idea of a JD 4520 or something like that, was planning something like a Mahindra 5035 for ~26k. How would this Kioti comare? OR could get a Kioti DK55 w/ loader fo $26,700, basically the same price as the Mahindra.

Which direction would be better??

Using it to run a 7' TR3 arena rake, haul 1000lb round bales, stack 1 row high on bales, plus other general work around our small horse farm.

 

[IslandTractor]

It's been a while since I priced these so cannot comment on the quote but I have essentially the same tractor in 40hp size. Same loader. I wouldn't hesitate to take on the tasks you listed with mine so I'm sure the 50 would be more than adequate. Great machine and great bang for the buck.

 

[CowwFace]

I have a local quote on a DK50SE HST with 401 loader for $22,700.

Is this a reasonable price?? I'd just about given up on HST in something about this size bc JD, NH, Kubota all up near 30k...Just found we had a local Kioti dealer, thought the closest was ~300m away....

After ditching the idea of a JD 4520 or something like that, was planning something like a Mahindra 5035 for ~26k. How would this Kioti comare? OR could get a Kioti DK55 w/ loader fo $26,700, basically the same price as the Mahindra.

Which direction would be better??

Using it to run a 7' TR3 arena rake, haul 1000lb round bales, stack 1 row high on bales, plus other general work around our small horse farm.

Hey JJ,

I think that is a pretty good but not great price... When I was looking about 9 months ago the DK45se hst was about 21k with loader, I went with a 40 just because the dealer had two of them and was motivated to get rid of one. I think I was in the 19.6k range but that included a 96" rear blade. I don't know what the 50's were going for back then.

Phill

 

[jj4osu]

Dealer just came by my place to check out my potential trade-in...was over at a neighbors place picking up a massive grasshopper mower that he needed service an storage for a while since a tornado trashed his shed. Seeing they'd come pick up the mower makes me feel good about the customer service.

Anyway, was talking to him about my needs, if the DK50SE or the DK45SE would be more suitable. After seeing what we'd be working, knowing the drag we'd be using, seeing the round bales, the mowing I'll do, etc, he thought I would not see any difference between the two. Same exact tractor other than the engine. Said I'd really only notice it if I went side by side w/ a 45 & 50 pulling something with pretty good drag, or heavy mowing/brush beating, where the 50hp would be able to do it a little faster than the 45.

Price difference is 1300.

So, is the extra 5hp worth 1300?? Is he right, won't "use" the extra 5hp, or notice a difference? Kinda going into it as get the biggest tractor that can still do the jobs...thats the 50hp, but the tractor is identical save the engine, so not sure which way to go. Don't expect there is really a "wrong" choice...would be nice to save 1300, but heck, thats about 7% of the cost, so not a HUGE gain and probably worth it if I really do gain something with the 50hp. Rambling a bit...but what does everybody think.

End of it all the tractor will be either a DK45SE or DK50SE with a FEL, bale spear for the FEL, loaded tires & 1 remote hydraulic.

DK45SE = 22,200
DK50SE = 23,500

 

[BSVLY]

If your property is at any altitude-the Xtra 5HP will help

 

[jj4osu]

If your property is at any altitude-the Xtra 5HP will help

Central Oklahoma. Not sea level, but def not a lot of altitude.

 

[IslandTractor]

Easy decision for me. DK45se plus grapple (or other extra implement) will get more work done than a DK50se. No need for extra power you really won't use. Not sure what tires you will get but my R4s are the limiting factor in how much power I can use. I can spin all four, so traction, not horsepower limits what I can do.

I had faced a similar choice with the DK40se vs DK45se. Identical tractors and engine except for 2.0 vs 2.2 liters displacement. I couldn't see paying Kioti an extra 1500 bucks to bore out the cylinders a tad more. Never regreted the choice. If I ever upgrade to a cab model I might get the DK45se just to make up for the A/C parasitic load but the 40 is just fine without the cab.

 

[rd_macgregor]

I have the DK45SC (gear) model and agree with Island that the DK40, DK45 or DK50 would all do fine for your uses. Saving $1300 would go a long way toward getting another implement like a grapple rake, snowblower, post hole digger or boxblade...etc.
BOB

 

[KiotiDave]

Hi,
Save the $1300 plus fuel consumption. They use the same loader and have identical capacities.
Dave G.
KiotiDave

 

[IslandTractor]

Hi,
Save the $1300 plus fuel consumption.

I obviously agree with the $savings but wonder about the fuel consumption. Clearly the 50 would use more fuel when it is pumping out between 45-50hp but is there any reason it would use more fuel than the 45 when cranking out 10-44hp? It is after all essentially the identical engine with a bigger bore (?or stroke). Wouldn't the fuel per hp per hour be identical for 10-44hp?

 

[jj4osu]

Most everyone seems to think the 45 is the better bet for $$. How about going down another notch to the 40hp? Still the same tractor isn't it, other than the engine/pto hp. Haven't priced it, but assume another 1200-1500 drop there, is it worth it? Would a 40hp still pull a 6.5' TR3 grooming our arena? Shouldn't be any difference hauling bales with the same loader & 3pt capacities, weight, etc.


thanks for advice guys!

Jeff

 

[IslandTractor]

Would a 40hp still pull a 6.5' TR3 grooming our arena? Shouldn't be any difference hauling bales with the same loader & 3pt capacities, weight, etc.

Absolutely a 40 will pull that rake and without breaking a sweat I might add. Bales will the the same with each of these three as the hydraulic output and loader/3pt capacities are identical.

I got the 40 instead of the 45 which at the time saved me something around $1500.

I am a bit biased but completely convinced that the DK40se is the sweet spot in the whole DK lineup. Does just about everything the 45 and 50 can do and does a lot more with FEL than the otherwise very nice DK35se. Speaking of which, the DK35se would pull your arena rake just fine (it is 38hp) but it might have trouble with the bales as the KL351 lifts only about (I'm guessing) 1600lbs. If your bales weigh less than 600-700lbs or so you should consider the 35 too.

 

[mx5guy]

More power means more fuel comsumption, universal Law of HP

 

[IslandTractor]

More power means more fuel comsumption, universal Law of HP

Understood but if you have a 40hp engine generating 20hp at 1600rpm and you compare it to a 50hp engine of identical design just with bigger bore which is generating the same 20hp at 1500rpm, is there a difference in fuel consumption?

A turbo four cylinder generating 150hp will use less fuel than a big displacement V8 generating the same 150hp but that is different as the engine designs are quite different. What happens if the engine is virtually identical except for displacement?

 

[Mousefield]

It takes energy to create horsepower. I am sure my CK35 would burn a bit more than the CK25 or CK30 even though the engine is the same except for the displacement.

 

[IslandTractor]

It takes energy to create horsepower. I am sure my CK35 would burn a bit more than the CK25 or CK30 even though the engine is the same except for the displacement.

Yes, it takes x energy to produce y horsepower. Right? So if the only difference between engines is the ability to go higher than y on the horsepower scale, then for y horsepower, regardless of the displacement, shouldn't it take x energy for each of these three engines?

 

[Coyote machine]

Seems the displacement might influence fuel consumption due to more air intake results in 'possibly' more fuel. Turbo may be exception regarding fuel efficiency...though it would allow for more air in for the same displacement; I think results should be run by an independent laboratory, possibly the one BP uses, not like they're busy right now!:laughing:

I have a dk-35se and it is a great tractor and does a lot of work for its 38 actual HP. It would seem if you get the beefier 401 loader; and it is a self-leveling, which the dk-35 does NOT have available, you should be able to accomplish all your tasks. However less stress might be on a larger displacement model like a 45-55, with longer life expectancy for the entire ownership time.

I'd balance what you can afford with what you feel is the minimum hp you could do the work with then add a buffer of affordable hp, for a margin of error toward the up side, just in case.

 

[PA hayseed]

I have a DK45SE HST, and after spending a couple hours a week cutting grass, I can't help but think that just 5 more hp might get the job done just a little quicker. I didn't read the specs, but I would imagine that 5 more hp might make the tractor go just a little faster. Even if it was just one mph, that saves alot of time running around, in the long run.

I don't know what specs are different, but I am a big fan of bigger tractors. My 45 has done literally TONS of gravel, shale, topsoil, moving excavating and filling. When I make the long runs, I wish it went faster. Other than getting from point a to b, the 45 has done the work it has needed to. And it did some work it probably shouldn't have tried.

I'm not a tractor expert, or even Kioti's #1 fan. I owned a 28hp, went to a 45, and now wish I would have gone to something around 55-60. I would love to run a giant batwing, but I don't think it would handle the abuse on really hot days or on top speed med gear in anything but low cut grass/field. I know for a fact it has a hard time handling wet field work with a six footer on it. have to go slower which equals too much time cutting the field.

Don't know if this helps or not, thought I'd give you one owner's thoughts. I know someone on here will tell me they run a 92' mower in high gear through 6' tall weeds and brush, but that isn't my experience.

 

[jj4osu]

I have a DK45SE HST, and after spending a couple hours a week cutting grass, I can't help but think that just 5 more hp might get the job done just a little quicker. I didn't read the specs, but I would imagine that 5 more hp might make the tractor go just a little faster. Even if it was just one mph, that saves alot of time running around, in the long run.

I don't know what specs are different, but I am a big fan of bigger tractors. My 45 has done literally TONS of gravel, shale, topsoil, moving excavating and filling. When I make the long runs, I wish it went faster. Other than getting from point a to b, the 45 has done the work it has needed to. And it did some work it probably shouldn't have tried.

I'm not a tractor expert, or even Kioti's #1 fan. I owned a 28hp, went to a 45, and now wish I would have gone to something around 55-60. I would love to run a giant batwing, but I don't think it would handle the abuse on really hot days or on top speed med gear in anything but low cut grass/field. I know for a fact it has a hard time handling wet field work with a six footer on it. have to go slower which equals too much time cutting the field.

Don't know if this helps or not, thought I'd give you one owner's thoughts. I know someone on here will tell me they run a 92' mower in high gear through 6' tall weeds and brush, but that isn't my experience.

Still haven't decided yet.:confused2:

I really don't recall hearing guys think they bought too much hp very often. The thing is according to the specs the extra 5hp from the 45 to the 50 only gains 1.5 pto hp. Anybody know why? But strangely Bobcat publishes different numbers...thought they were the same engine.
For the 40-50hp models -
Kioti: 41/32.5 45/36 49/37.5
Bobcat: 41/30 45/34 49/38

So Bobcat is showing 4hp increments in engine & pto hp, whereas Kioti is showing 4hp increments in engine hp, but 3.5 & 1.5 increments in pto.


Don't know that it matters really though, the big pto job I need is probably too heavy for any of these anyway. Have an old 7' Rhino beater that i use...I "think" I remember my dad telling me it needed 55hp (assuming pto hp) to run it...I've got an old 90hp Allis that runs it fine, but sucks to do anything that isn't really field work...hauls a bale ok too I guess...when I can keep it running.

So I'm really thinking my sweet spot might be the 45, save 1500 and get another attachment...but heck, 1500 over 5yrs is only $25/month...THIS is why I haven't got anything yet!! Need to sh*& or get off the pot I guess.


A bit off topic, someone mentioned adding a grapple...the more I think of it, the more I think that would probably be the most useful thing I could have other than a bale spear. I've already got a ton of work lined up for it if I get one...but when talking to the dealer, he was talking about something that would cut and pick up that went on the 3pt...I was thinking an attachment to the fel just to pick up piled up branches. Maybe need to get this from another source? or just improve my communication maybe...BUT, anybody know how much there run?

 

[IslandTractor]

A bit off topic, someone mentioned adding a grapple...the more I think of it, the more I think that would probably be the most useful thing I could have other than a bale spear. I've already got a ton of work lined up for it if I get one...but when talking to the dealer, he was talking about something that would cut and pick up that went on the 3pt...I was thinking an attachment to the fel just to pick up piled up branches. Maybe need to get this from another source? or just improve my communication maybe...BUT, anybody know how much there run?

Might have been me. My point is that a grapple is far more useful than an extra few horsepower. Given that Kioti/Bobcat like to charge $1500 bucks extra just for boring out the identical engine block, I think you get much better value taking the lower hp and using the savings for an implement. There are precious few times that I run my DK40se at full PTO rpm so there is probably less than 1% of tractor use for me that could even potentially benefit from more HP.

How long would it take to do this work with a higher HP tractor with a standard FEL?