Dirt Scoop

[mwemaxxowner]

I'm using a White/Iseki Field Boss 21 4wd. It's a 21 hp tractor, and has a rack with weights on the front. I would love to add a bucket to it but I highly doubt that's in the cards for me financially. I can get attachments for the 3 point hitch that should do everything I need.

I'm stuck deciding between a 30" or 36" dirt scoop. I found one thread on this forum discussing a 36" scoop, and there was a lot of back and forth about whether or not it will work on a smaller tractor.

I'm fairly certain it has a class 1 hitch but I'll be honest I don't know for sure. I've used a box scrape, landscape rake, and a 6' finish mower behind it and they all worked fine. Until I found that thread I didn't even know there are different classes of 3PH. .

What do I need to check?

I have 1 acre of land, and about half of it is lawn that I have sodded and really meticulously try to maintain. Next spring I will get a load or two of sand brought in and work on top dressing and leveling the lawn. The more sand I can haul per scoop the better! This is a process I'll probably have to do every year for a few years to really get it where I want it. This is currently my biggest desire for the dirt scoop. Beats a wheelbarrow and shovels!

I did a good bit of work this spring with a gold cart, shovels, and a small dumping trailer.

There IS an agri-supply within 30 minutes of me. I probably just need to load up the tractor, haul it up there, and see it the 36"er will fit properly, clear the tires in both orientations, etc.

Like so

 

[JethroB]

Maybe rig up a stick or piece of small PVC pipe the width of the scoops pins and run the lift up and down? Rock it sideways to check for tire clearance. Make sure the lift arms go wide enough to clear the end of the pins when hooking it up. Some pins can go inside the A frame I believe.

I have been looking at auction yards and farmers weed lines of old equipment for a used one. My dad had one years ago. I dont believe it was reversible though which is what I would want. Those suckers can dig with enough traction! Aggravating at times too. Poor mans FEL.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

That's exactly why I want it! Haha

A few years from now when some much more necessary purchases have been made, perhaps I can price having a FEL added to the tractor, if it's even possible. Technically the tractor wouldn't be worth it but the value I'd get would.

Still, it's not in the cards for now.

Also, has anybody used both a 30" and a 36" dirt scoop? Is there a substantial improvement in capacity? I can't find any specs listed for the carrying capacity of the AF 36" scoop. And, that's the only one I can find.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

I probably should have put this in the attachments section. Sorry about that!

 

[airbiscuit]

$319 for a 30" reversible dirt scoop is certainly a poor man's loader. I would recommend the 30" over the 36" for a smaller tractor (traction).

 

[MF243RedTop]

Took measurements..
Overall frame width 38"
Between pins turned in 28" and about 33 with lift arm hooked up
Pan 30W by 30L x 10" deep
I don't think you would want this on a smaller unit.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

It's also not far from double the price, and I doubt it will do double the work.

Attached is a picture of the same tractor. I don't have a picture of mine (if you read my intro post it's not actually mine, it's my dad's and it's currently parked at his house in his shop). I just googled this picture.

If it makes a difference, it is 4wd, with knobby tires and weights on the front. I think the tires are just filled with air.

 

[jeff9366]

I'm using a White/Iseki Field Boss 21 4wd. It's a 21 hp tractor, and has a rack with weights on the front. I would love to add a bucket to it but I highly doubt that's in the cards for me financially.

I've used a box scraper and landscape rake, behind it and they worked fine.

I have 1 acre of land, about half acre is lawn that I have sodded and really meticulously try to maintain. Next spring I will get a load or two of sand brought in and work on top dressing and leveling the lawn.

Have the sand dumped in the middle of your lawn when the soil is dry. You will not injure the sod.

Spread sand in rays from the center pile with the Box Blade. Finish spread with the Landscape Rake used on an angle, so sand move across the rake face. Touch up result with a hand rake.

I believe the triple combination above will work better for you spreading sand than a dirt scoop.

Box Blade is for soil/sand transport over short distances like within 1/2 acre.

Dirt Scoop is for soil/sand transport over longer distances like 75' to 300'.




White Field Boss 21

1986 - 1988
Subcompact Utility tractor

Production:
Distributor: White
Manufacturer: Iseki
Original price (USD): $8,500 (1988)

White Field Boss 21 Engine:
Isuzu 1.2L 3-cyl diesel
White Field Boss 21 Power:
Engine: 21 hp [15.7 kW]
PTO (claimed): 19 hp [14.2 kW]

Capacity:
Fuel: 6.1 gal [23.1 L]

3-Point Hitch:
Rear Type: I

Power Take-off (PTO):
Rear PTO: transmission
Rear RPM: 540
Front PTO: crankshaft-driven
Front RPM: 2600

Dimensions & Tires:
Wheelbase: 59 inches [149 cm]
Width: 42.9 inches [108 cm]
Weight: 1584 to 1672 pounds
Front tire: 4.00-12
Rear tire: 12.4-16 (2WD)


White Field Boss 21 attachments:
In addition to the 60-inch mid-mount mower, the Field Boss 21 could be equipped with rear finish mowers (48, 60, or 46-inch), rear flail mowers (50-inch), and rotary cutters (42, 48, or 60 inch). Front and rear 60-inch blades were available, plus a 4.5 foot box scraper. Three-point mounted tillers were fitted in 32 or 40 inch widths.

60" Mower deck:
Type: mid-mount White
Cutting width: 60 inches [152 cm]

Loader:
Loader type: White 1025QA


Field Boss 21 Serial Numbers:
1986: TE3210T00595 (2WD)
1987: TE3210T00652 (2WD)
1988: TE3210T00967 (2WD)
1986: TE3210F02879 (4WD)
1987: TE3210F03079 (4WD)
1988: TE3210F04003 (4WD)

Mechanical:
Chassis: 4x2 2WD
4x4 MFWD 4WD optional
Steering: manual
Brakes: mechanical expanding shoe
Cab: Two-post ROPS. Optional canopy and radio.

Hydraulics:
Type: open center
Pressure: 2064 psi [142.3 bar]
Total flow: 5.5 gpm [20.8 lpm]

Electrical:
Charging system: alternator
Charging amps: 35

Battery:
Volts: 12

Page information:
Last update: June 6, 2017
Copyright: Copyright 2017 TractorData LLC
Contact: Peter@TractorData.com

 

[poncho62]

I built my own scoop, lifts with a winch. I made the bucket 36" wide and it works pretty good for what it is. I moved all that gravel in the background with it. Yours being a bigger tractor, I would think a 36" would be no problem.

 

[MF243RedTop]

It's also not far from double the price, and I doubt it will do double the work.

Attached is a picture of the same tractor. I don't have a picture of mine (if you read my intro post it's not actually mine, it's my dad's and it's currently parked at his house in his shop). I just googled this picture.

If it makes a difference, it is 4wd, with knobby tires and weights on the front. I think the tires are just filled with air. View attachment 676277

You probably need to stay with a 30" scoop..
It would be a better fit for your tractors capabilities and weight.
There's a huge difference when loading in reverse with loose, dry non-compacted dirt/sand than a double axle load that's been dumped sitting and wet.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

Have the sand dumped in the middle of your lawn when the soil is dry. You will not injure the sod.

Spread sand in rays from the center pile with the Box Blade. Finish spread with the Landscape Rake. Touch up result with a hand rake.

I believe the triple combination above will work better for you spreading sand than a dirt scoop.

Box Blade is for soil/sand transport over short distances like within 1/2 acre.

That may work. Typically it is dumped in piles in a uniform manner, spread around by hand somewhat and finished with a drag mat. Wanting a dirt scoop, or borrowing a tractor with a FEL (which I've considered) is so that I can dump the piles like I've said, where I can then knock them down and finish with my drag mat. I think a lot of folks dump piles, broadcast a bit with shovels, brush it around with a push broom and/or rakes, drag the mat. I have a 36" landscape rake (hand tool) that will be part of this process. Renting a top dressing machine is also a possibility, but I always prefer to put renting money toward something I can own and use in the future.

However I distribute the sand, I'm going to use a drag mat as the last step. I have Centipede grass, it is not as hardy and does not handle many stresses as well as some other grasses. If I use a box scrape or a landscape rake I'll have to be careful not to tear up the grass with it. It spreads by stolons alone so if you cut them it doesn't also have rhizomes below the surface too.

I do think I'll dump it in the center if I think I'll have enough time to knock it all out quickly before it kills the grass underneath the pile, but I do have to be careful not to drag something along the surface and tear the grass up too badly. Centipede recovers and fills back in very slowly.

I built my own scoop, lifts with a winch. I made the bucket 36" wide and it works pretty good for what it is. I moved all that gravel in the background with it. Yours being a bigger tractor, I would think a 36" would be no problem.
View attachment 676280 View attachment 676281

I like that a lot! Where can I buy one? Lol

 

[mwemaxxowner]

You probably need to stay with a 30" scoop..
It would be a better fit for your tractors capabilities and weight.
There's a huge difference when loading in reverse with loose, dry non-compacted dirt/sand than a double axle load that's been dumped sitting and wet.

I was hoping that even if this sand is wet and I couldn't lift a full scoop, that I could just lift a partial scoop for this job as though it's a smaller scoop, and still have a bigger scoop for other jobs in the future. I'm guessing the weight of the scoop itself is not a great deal more? If it's too big dimensionally to fit very well on the 3ph or too heavy when unloaded then I should definitely pass on it and go for the smaller AND cheaper scoop!

 

[airbiscuit]

Functionally, there won't be a large difference in the work performed with a 30" dirt scoop. There will be a large difference in the amount of traction and wheel spin with a 36" dirt scoop.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

That pretty much seals the deal!

I've already found and bookmarked the information @jeff9366 posted. I've also located a digital download of the manual for the tractor that I'll probably purchase.

I'd like to figure out what it may take some day to add a FEL to it and really add some functionality to this tractor. It was an available option so it should be possible.

 

[jeff9366]

I'd like to figure out what it may take some day to add a FEL to it and really add some functionality to this tractor. It was an available option so it should be possible.

Your tractor was last produced 32 years ago. A White 1025QA Loader is not too likely to be still available.

The first thing to determine is if the Loader hydraulic valve necessary to operate a Loader is on your tractor or if it will need to be purchased ($$) in addition to the Loader.

There are several producers of aftermarket tractor Loaders.

LINK: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...-aftermarket-loader-suppliers.html?highlight=

 

[mwemaxxowner]

No I'm sure I'm not going to run across an original White loader. There's no joystick for a loader on the tractor right now, if that's what you're talking about.

 

[jeff9366]

Lack of a joystick has little bearing on whether or not a Loader hydraulic valve is on your tractor.


There is an original White 1025QA loader manual listed on eBay for $26.95

LINK: WHITE 125 QA LOADER PARTS INSTRUCTION MANUAL "NEW" | eBay

 

[mwemaxxowner]

When I googled front end loader hydraulic valve that's what came up. Hence my reply.

I don't think you mean a diverter valve, it's my understanding that's only necessary if I want a grapple or other accessory. I was trying to figure out what to look for. My guess is it's not there

I'll start by downloading the manuals for the tractor and for the loader. For now I'm just curious to know what it'll take and get a rough idea what it will cost.

Thanks.

 

[jeff9366]

Have the sand dumped in the middle of your lawn when the soil is dry. You will not injure the sod.

Spread sand in rays from the center pile with the Box Blade. Finish spread with the Landscape Rake used on an angle, so sand move across the rake face. Touch up result with a hand rake.

I believe the triple combination above will work better for you spreading sand than a dirt scoop.

Try using your TPH Landscape Rake reversed. With the dirt contact end of the spring tines oriented AWAY from the tractor it is unlikely tines will tear your Centipede turf.

For now I'm just curious to know what it'll take and get a rough idea what it will cost.

Loader $4,000 with freight. Loader hydraulic valve additional.

 

[mwemaxxowner]

Try using your TPH Landscape Rake reversed. With the dirt contact end of the spring tines oriented AWAY from the tractor it is unlikely tines will tear your Centipede turf.

That's a very good idea for spreading my piles out!