dig it 198t transmition problems

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kmdarling

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dig it 198t
I have just purchased a dig it 198t mini backhoe. all hydraulics work well and are in good shape. it has 1200 hrs on it. but the tractor will not move. the previous owner said it was working fine he turned it off to eat lunch and when he went back it would not move. he also said that this happened to him 10 yrs ago and he cleared the lines and it worked fine for the next 10 years. the pump on the trans is working as it also pwrs the stearing piston, when i press the pedal forward or back the trans makes a low moan but does not move. is someone out there familiar with this tractor and does anyone have any ideas, also is there a rebuild kit out there, as i have talked to the company that handles dig it now and all they want to do is sell me a new transmition.
 
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There doesn't seem to be many people that are too familiar with these. I also have one any there doesn't seem to be a lot of information or knowledge about them. I am still learning aboout mine (the hard way) but I'll try and help you as much as I can..
1. When was the last time the filter and fluid was changed? Napa and Carquest have these filters.
2. There is an adjustment for the drive mechanism. It is in the center section between your feet on the transmission. To adjust and make sure that the pedal is in adjustment, Jack up the rear and put it on jackstands. Then put a 2x4 underneath the pedal. Adjust the turnbuckle until the pedal touches the 2x4. There is also a bolt that has a camlobe on it. This controls creep. Make sure that it is not misadjusted or loose. You have to have the engine running in order to play with the cam adjustments. That's why it needs to have the drive wheels jacked up. Let me know if this helps.
 
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I remember there was another TBN member that had drive problems. Said his 198 would only drive when the brakes were slammed on then eventually the machine would only freewheel ( no answer/ solution was ever given to his problem). My Dig-It backhoe uses individual hydraulic wheel motors so I am not familiar with their hydo trans set up. First thing I'd do is take the advice already given on drive adjustment. I would also suggest getting a manual for it.....no better way to see repairs or how something is put together/works. Heartland Construction Equipment Dig It Parts - HEARTLAND CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT sells manuals. I know they are easy to get parts from but don't think they offer much tech support.

I would also search hydrostatic transmission F-N-R switch and swash plate issues. Good luck and please keep the site updated on what you find ( we are interested and it may help someone in the future).
 
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I second the manual purchase.. Kernopelli turned me onto HCE a little while ago for parts and manuals for my 158 towable.. The service I have received from them so far has been excellent including tech support.. I am not sure at what level their tech support is on the dig-it line but they sure know what they are talking about for my 158 towable. Shipping is fast and parts costs are good.. Except for pins lol.. They are average it seems replacement pins are expensive no matter where you buy them ;)
 
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thanks to all, and a happy and prosporus new years to you and yours, I do have more info, ie trans type and mfg, but have misplaced (ie my wife moved it and does not remember where she put it.) I do have manuals for the tractor and will scan and make available asap, this may take a while as i am in hvac at this point in my life and am busy from 7am until its done, usually 7-8pm. and have family duties. so maby in the spring, this unit only has one switch which is called the (switch, safety interlock n/o) in the book, how ever the language in the book is very inconsistant, meaning this switch seams to be called the neutral safty switch in the wiring diagram, which is tied into the emc switch for which there is no other ref. in the lit. not tied into any solinoids that i can find. more to think about. Thank Again K
 
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When I purchased mine, the wiring was a mess. All of the safety switches and back up switch were a mangled mess. When I rewired it, I just bypassed them. Powerkingtractor.com also has parts for them. That is where I got my manual. They are a little cheaper on their prices than Heartland.
 
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thanks ramairhornet I appreciate the new lead on parts. Sorry kmdarling not trying to highjack your post.
 
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Hi Guys.

Before I start to replay to this thread, does anyone have an alternate part number for the hydraulic pump on the front of the engine? It is a John S. Barnes P/N 3396. Any help would be appreciated.

I'm glad I came upon this forum and can probably provide you with some information as I too, have learned the hard way after purchasing mine at an auction sale here in Nova Scotia. My apologies for not reading all of the replies, so if I am repeating what has already been said, I hope I can at least contribute.

The hydrostatic transmission in the Digit tractors does a number of things.

First of all, there is a small gear type pump incorporated into the upper housing of the hydrostat (where the two hydraulic lines come out and go to the steering ram) This small gear pump offers power to the steering ram and does nothing else. That said, you will have to look deeper into the problem of not being able to move.

The second is the hydrostat itself. Encased in it internally, consists of two components identical in appearance. One is a rotary piston pump with a variable swash plate (connected to the drive shaft) . This pumps fluid to its counterpart, a rotary hydraulic motor just below it. The swash plate is what controls the pistons on the piston pump. In the neutral position, (that is when your forward and reverse pedal is in neutral) this swash plate keeps the pistons in a neutral plain so that no hydraulic pressure is being produced to move the hydraulic motor. When you step on the forward/ reverse pedal, through the linkage, you tilt the swash plate one way or the other in order to translate the rotary motion of the engine to an up and down motion of the pistons to provide the hydraulic pressure to move the hydraulic motor one way or the other. You are simply controlling the flow and the direction of flow to make the hydraulic motor turn.

The safety switches to only one thing and that is to stop the engine from running if anything goes wrong. If the engine is still running and you have no movement, then there can be no flow of hydraulic pressure to the hydraulic motor. Starting with the very basics, does it have enough fluid? Is there a restriction of the supply line (the one going to the lower portion of the hydrostat)? Does a physical check confirm that the forward and reverse on the foot pedal actually move the forward and reverse arm located on the left side of the hydrostat? Is the filter dirty? What color is the oil? If it's black or dark in color that is a sign of overheating. Check output shaft and make sure it's not turning when you step on the pedal. This would indicate the rear differential rather than the hydrostat.

That said, the first thing I would do is to carefully open the (smaller) filter hooked directly to the hydrostat and check it for metal contamination. You can use a hacksaw if you have to, however try to eliminate as much contamination as possible from being introduced. Once this has been done, remove the paper filter element and using a sharp knife, cut the paper portion out and spread it on a piece of cardboard. If there are pieces of brass evident, then chances are that the brass has warn on the pistons at some point. This is usually due to running the machine low on oil.

Another thing is to check the output shaft and make sure that it is the hydrostat and not the rear differential that is the problem.

If you need to buy a replacement hydrostat, I think Heartland sells them for around $4000.00 the last time I checked. I have found a cheaper way to repair the old hydrostat if that is indeed the problem. As there are no longer any replacement parts available (that I am aware of) for the old hydrostat, I have found that part from the older John Deere 300 hydrostat can be reworked and used on the DigIt hydrostat. I'll save that info for another day though.

I have photos of all the internal components if you require them.

Hope this helps.

Yours truly,
Doug in the Maritimes
 
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Thank You All for responding everyones info helps.

Doug this is great info really helps me understand how this hydrostat works, still have not had the time to dig into it, looking forward to the warm weather.

I have found some new info since my last post. I contacted kyb the mfg of the hydrostat and they were able to send me an exploded view and parts list, attached here View attachment 198t trans parts list.pdfView attachment 198t trans parts list.pdfView attachment 198t trans blowup.pdf not great but readable.

Also replacement hydrostat can be purchased from power king tractor for around 2500.00, and they have a soft seal kit for about 125.00.

I was also told that the deere 300 trans was the same trans with different input and output shaft spline sizes, is this what you were referring to.
if not I would be interested in your fix and the photos when you get a chance.

Thanks for all your help.

Sincerely,
Kent in New York

PS. I have just found another 198 t and am trying to buy it for parts as it is not running. What luck finding 2 198 t's within 25 miles of my house. so I may have some parts available soon.
 
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Thank You All for responding everyones info helps.

Doug this is great info really helps me understand how this hydrostat works, still have not had the time to dig into it, looking forward to the warm weather.

I have found some new info since my last post. I contacted kyb the mfg of the hydrostat and they were able to send me an exploded view and parts list, attached here View attachment 364210View attachment 364210View attachment 364221 not great but readable.

Also replacement hydrostat can be purchased from power king tractor for around 2500.00, and they have a soft seal kit for about 125.00.

I was also told that the deere 300 trans was the same trans with different input and output shaft spline sizes, is this what you were referring to.
if not I would be interested in your fix and the photos when you get a chance.

Thanks for all your help.

Sincerely,
Kent in New York

PS. I have just found another 198 t and am trying to buy it for parts as it is not running. What luck finding 2 198 t's within 25 miles of my house. so I may have some parts available soon.

Also Doug for the pump my dig it manual has dig it part no. 40-101265 followed by discription [ pump 29YB-R ] you may be able to find it at power king tractor ph. no. 877-262-1191
they have also been very helpfull to me.
 

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