Diesel Fueling/Storage questions

[jsduke]

Hello All!

I've got a new 55 gal. metal drum with a Lincoln barrel pump (to be stored inside an unheated building) and I need some advice. I also bought a 'Mr. Funnel' water/fuel separating funnel for cleaning the diesel when transfering. I understand that my metal drum will add condensated water to the fuel overtime so the funnel will come in handy for that.

The problem is I'd like to add Power Service to raise cetane as well as lubricity but it emulsifies the water in the fuel and it will then pass through the water filter in the funnel. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Can I add the PS directly to the tractor's tank or will I have problems with it not blending enough?

I could filter the fuel into a yellow can, add and blend PS and then fill the tractor with the can but this defeats the reason to have the drum/pump. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Anyone have ideas?

Thanks.

duke.

 

[Bird]

Duke, there's no problem with adding the Power Service to the tractor fuel tank.

 

[jsduke]

Hi Bird!

So the PS will disperse into the diesel without agitation? I'm one of those newbies who likes to understand the nuts and bolts behind stuff /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif . Will the fact that I've no PS in the storage drum foul me up when the temps drop? Thanks.

duke.

P.S. I spent 3 years in your neck of the woods (plains?). Hurst '79 - '82. Where was your rural property?

 

[Bird]

Duke, it'll disperse just fine in the tractor fuel tank; however, for me, personally, I'd put it in the barrel. I'm not sure exactly which Power Service product you're using, but I don't think it will emulsify enough water to be a problem; i.e., cause your Mr. Funnel to fail to take any water out; personal opinion of course.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Where was your rural property? )</font>

58 miles (as the crow flies) or 65 miles (by road) due south of downtown Dallas; on the northwest side of Navarro Mills Lake.

 

[JerryG]

I don't use a 55 gallon drum, but I do have a 300 gallon tank. What I do is pour the PS in the tank before I fill it up. It mixes with the diesel as the tank is filled.

 

[jsduke]

Hi Bird,

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I've got 75+ tons of dirt and gravel occupying my time.

The Power Service product I'm using is their Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost. The label states it disperses water. I believe that means emulsifies.

If I store the diesel in the drum without fuel treatment will I be faced with anything that the funnel and the PS (added to the tractor tank) can't cure?

Thanks again.

Duke.

P.S. While I never had the opportunity to visit the area where you had property I'll bet it was a great place to be. I only saw a few rural spots west of Fort Worth. Even though I was still in my twenties at the time and still locked into a 'city' career I really wished I'd been able to live there instead of the Metroplex /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif.

 

[Bird]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If I store the diesel in the drum without fuel treatment will I be faced with anything that the funnel and the PS (added to the tractor tank) can't cure? )</font>

I'm certainly no expert in this area, but the only thing I can think of is if it's stored where it could get cold enough to gel.

And yes, we liked living way out in the country south of Dallas. Actually, I like the areas southeast even better. But I suspect your area in PA is pretty nice, too. We spent 4 months in '93 at Sayre, PA, and we have old friends who live in the Poconos. We really liked PA when we were there.

 

[Junkman]

Been spending way too much time reading old posts..... As for the barrel condensing moisture in it, it is definitely unlikely to happen. The only time that the barrel will "sweat" is when the humidity is high and the barrel is cold. since it is a barrel, there is only one opening that you will be using.. That is the 2" bung for the barrel pump. The other end will be plugged. Since the pump doesn't have "vent" that is open to the atmosphere unless you are pumping fuel, then the air inside the barrel is stagnant and the only water that could get into the fuel is that which is already inside the barrel. I doubt that there is any significant amount of moisture in that air. One other thing that you can do is to set the pick up tube on the barrel pump 6" above the bottom of the barrel. That way, you will not be pumping at a level that would have water in it. Make sure that when you fill the barrel, that you get the fuel in a location that has a lot of turn over of product. The other thing that you can do is to get a particulate filter that also has a moisture trap that will filter the product that you draw from the drum. They are sold at NAPA for about $20 for the filter adapter and the filter is $9.00. I just picked one up today for my fuel delivery pump installation... a project that I started 20 years ago in the event that I might get a diesel tractor.... a couple of weeks ago, I bought a BX22 and now I am completing the project because of need......