Diesel exhaust brakes

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I am wondering about how much you guys like the exhaust brake on your pickups for towing. I like them to some extent, but find the way they work problematic since I feel like they over-rev the engine. I have a 6.7 L F-250 and have also done some long distance tows on two different dualie Chev 3500's, and found the issue to be the same for both brands. Maybe a bit more pronounced in the Chev's. Haven't driven a Dodge diesel so I can't say if it is the same.

I like them when towing most of the time because when the truck/trailer is going downhill the exhaust brake will do a good job of maintaining speed downhill without forcing the truck brakes to be over taxed with the heavy load downhill. Touch the brakes a bit and the truck gears down so engine revs go to 3000-3500ish and no real load goes on the brakes. This is when it works well and I like it. Long braking down a long hill heating up the brakes is hard on equipment, but pulse braking that allows the brakes to cool is jerky and hard on the horses. The exhaust brake is smooth and doesn't jerk the horses around too much during those long hills.

When I don't like it though, is when the hill is just that little bit steeper and the truck is still speeding up downhill or I have to slow down for slow traffic in front of me or to exit the hwy. Even a small extra touch on the brakes and the truck will often gear down again to 4th, and then the engine revs hit 4000+. The Chevs would regularly hit 4500 rpm. That is a lot of revs for a diesel IMO to be running at the whole way down the hill where big hills in mountainous regions may run for miles. I would rather the truck let me do a small bit of braking and take advantage of small touches the truck/trailer brakes, and keep the revs in a reasonable range for the exhaust brake. I often find myself turning the exhaust brake off so the truck engine will go back to a more reasonable revs, and then turn it back on and try again to hit the sweet spot between engine revs and truck/trailer brakes. All the while trying to keep the speed under control down a steep long hill and not jerk the horses around too much.

Basically I would rather use a combo of exhaust braking and some regular braking when required, but the truck seems to want the exhaust brake to do it all. As soon as I increase the brake pressure a bit more it will nail those rpms way too high for my liking. Anybody else find the diesel exhaust brakes too aggressive for their taste, or are you guys fine to just let it rev up over 4000 rpm and let it do what it wants the whole way down the hill?
 
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I’m not a big fan on automatic transmissions. Like you said they want to run upwards of 4000 rpm. My buddy has a deep geared straight shift Cummins that the exhaust brake works wonderfully.
 
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I have a 2018 F-250, mine has a manual and an automatic setting. Curious if you have tried both, or if you have both?

Found this post on ford-trucks.com.

Exhaust brake - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

Looks like most use Auto in really hilly conditions, Manual otherwise when towing. Off the rest of the time. I have used it a few times in my F-250 but just to try it out, so I am not much help sorry.
 
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I have a 2018 F-250, mine has a manual and an automatic setting. Curious if you have tried both, or if you have both?

Found this post on ford-trucks.com.

Exhaust brake - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

Looks like most use Auto in really hilly conditions, Manual otherwise when towing. Off the rest of the time. I have used it a few times in my F-250 but just to try it out, so I am not much help sorry.

The Chevs were both pretty new. They had a button for tow/haul, plus a second button for the exhaust brake. My 2011 F-250 has just the tow/haul button which will turn on both tow/haul mode and also engages the exhaust brake. Sounds like the newer Fords have two buttons though. I do have the manual mode for the transmission, which uses the little +/- buttons but I have never tried to use it for controlling the exhaust brake/engine gear when towing. I just use the truck in automatic and can usually help control the shifting with add/remove pressure on the gas pedal when I am not happy with when it wants to shift. I will probably experiment with that a bit now though.

Thanks for the link. That particular thread seems to just have people who are happy that the truck will maintain a consistent speed down the hill and don't seem to care how aggressively it works the engine. Will browse some more threads though, as I am sure the subject must have come up.
 
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Mine is a gas truck, but I tow exclusively in manual mode when I'm pulling heavy. I suggest you try the manual mode in conjunction with your exhaust brake. I think you'll like being able to control *exactly* when your trans upshifts and downshifts.
 
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The exhaust brake works pretty darn well on my Dodge/Cummins dually with 6 speed manual! I decide which gear I'll descend a hill in, not some computer!
 
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I have an 07 Dodge with the 6.7 Cummins, use the exhaust brake every time unless its slick out.
It can sometimes be a little jerky when unloaded in stop and go traffic but otherwise works great. Yes it will bump the rpms up if I'm heavy and going down a steep hill but it wont let it over rev.
I have an auto trans and it's very smooth especially when loaded.
 
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I have an 07 Dodge with the 6.7 Cummins, use the exhaust brake every time unless its slick out.
It can sometimes be a little jerky when unloaded in stop and go traffic but otherwise works great. Yes it will bump the rpms up if I'm heavy and going down a steep hill but it wont let it over rev.
I have an auto trans and it's very smooth especially when loaded.

This is a good representation of how my 2015 Cummins acts as well.
 
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Why don’t you use it when slick? I find my truck less likely to slide downshifting vs using the brakes.
 
   / Diesel exhaust brakes #10  
Unloaded it will put you sideways before you know it, it warns against it in the manual but I had to find out for myself. Never again. Even with a good load I it's a bad idea if its ice/snow.
 

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