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BoylermanCT
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Welcome to TBN! A couple of thoughts...
Did you find out what the cash price would be? You often give up a couple thousand in discounts when financing with 0% interest.
How much is the quick attach loader? I would not buy a tractor without one. I have a bucket, snow plow, forks and plan to get a grapple. Changing implements is super easy.
You are looking at the smallest of the tractors. I would consider getting a little bigger. You won't regret having more HP, more weight, larger tractor (assuming you stay in the small category and don't get a 100hp tractor!) you will be able to do more work faster the bigger tractor you go.
Did you find out what the cash price would be? You often give up a couple thousand in discounts when financing with 0% interest.
How much is the quick attach loader? I would not buy a tractor without one. I have a bucket, snow plow, forks and plan to get a grapple. Changing implements is super easy.
You are looking at the smallest of the tractors. I would consider getting a little bigger. You won't regret having more HP, more weight, larger tractor (assuming you stay in the small category and don't get a 100hp tractor!) you will be able to do more work faster the bigger tractor you go.
Bigger is usually better, but only you can know whether your finances stretch to it.
The BX1880 can drive itself fine with 18HP, and can drive the 54 inch mower fine. But you have some PTO things in your list (tiller, brush hog) and 18hp will limit what you can drive. Most people would get the 2380, although not that many can articulate why.
The quick attach is good if you change implements. If you're like me and never take the bucket off, then it's just additional weight that lowers your effective lift capacity.
The Massey would be the wrong colour. I wouldn't personally buy a Massey, I think Kubotas are a better tractor. But it's all horses for courses really - only you can decide on that. More HP might be useful - the 1880 is a bit low.
The BX1880 can drive itself fine with 18HP, and can drive the 54 inch mower fine. But you have some PTO things in your list (tiller, brush hog) and 18hp will limit what you can drive. Most people would get the 2380, although not that many can articulate why.
The quick attach is good if you change implements. If you're like me and never take the bucket off, then it's just additional weight that lowers your effective lift capacity.
The Massey would be the wrong colour.
I wouldn't personally buy a Massey, I think Kubotas are a better tractor. But it's all horses for courses really - only you can decide on that. More HP might be useful - the 1880 is a bit low.
tjkubota93
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The 18 is a little shorter.
I use my 1860 with a 48 inch bush hog and woods backhoe no problem. Don't know on the tiller. If I could do it again I would have got a bx25 with backhoe and all up front just for ease. I haven't come up short on power, I have come up short on weight/traction.
How much extra would a 23 be it wouldnt hurt.
I upgraded to the bigger bx25 r4 wheels and tires later.
Definitely get qa bucket. The qa forks will be way better than the kind you put on the bucket. You need forks for logs and such. Can also unload stuff from your truck or delivery truck, the uses are endless.
If you ever want a backhoe or anything else, get it now.
I paid mine off quick, and spent just as much in upgrades later. Could have just got it all up front and paid the note longer. 6 one way half dozen the other. I just hate having debt so I did it the poor man's way buying a little at a time.
The 23 seems to be the sweet spot, but it's really only power that's different - there's a better seat and a tilt steering wheel I think, maybe a couple of other comfort things that probably don't matter for a lot of people. I think there's a consensus that the 26 is the "more power" option, the 18 is the "can't stretch that extra couple grand" option, and the 23 is what most people have. If I got a 23 I'd get a 60 inch mower too - it's materially more mower.
Ultimately you buy what you can afford - if you can't afford a 23 then you buy an 18.
On one machine to do everything, the B2301/2601 mows fine too, much bigger than that and no, you wouldn't really have a single machine that does it all.
If you're never going to buy front forks, a front grapple or a front snowblower, then quick attach has no purpose, don't spend on it. 3ph attachments are different again, so the quick attach isn't going to help there. I personally have rear forks not front ones, there are some limitations with rear forks, but it means I can put a pallet on them and they double as a transport tray or a counter weight for the FEL - so personally they work well. Main issue is I can't lift very high - so I need a chain around the bucket or I need a loading ramp if I need to lift higher than the 3ph will lift.
Ultimately you buy what you can afford - if you can't afford a 23 then you buy an 18.
On one machine to do everything, the B2301/2601 mows fine too, much bigger than that and no, you wouldn't really have a single machine that does it all.
If you're never going to buy front forks, a front grapple or a front snowblower, then quick attach has no purpose, don't spend on it. 3ph attachments are different again, so the quick attach isn't going to help there. I personally have rear forks not front ones, there are some limitations with rear forks, but it means I can put a pallet on them and they double as a transport tray or a counter weight for the FEL - so personally they work well. Main issue is I can't lift very high - so I need a chain around the bucket or I need a loading ramp if I need to lift higher than the 3ph will lift.
I couldn't face a new tractor, so I bought a beat up old 2350. It's good, but it's beat up. Next year I'm trading it on a brand new one, once our local 80 series prices have dropped a bit (no deals on them yet in NZ). The 2350 has no tilt wheel. The missus knows no different and has never complained.
Personally I'd stretch to the 23, and that'd be enough to do what you describe. I'd worry with the 18 you'd always wish you had a bit more. Sure, you'll always want a bit more, but it's easier to tell yourself "that's a whole new model of tractor" than "I didn't spend 10% more to get enough power.
I know people say the Kubota finance doesn't impact price (i.e. there's no discount for cash) but that really makes no sense, so I'd be asking carefully what the dealer would really give you if you had cash. i.e. could I have a 23 for the same price cash?
Personally I'd stretch to the 23, and that'd be enough to do what you describe. I'd worry with the 18 you'd always wish you had a bit more. Sure, you'll always want a bit more, but it's easier to tell yourself "that's a whole new model of tractor" than "I didn't spend 10% more to get enough power.
I know people say the Kubota finance doesn't impact price (i.e. there's no discount for cash) but that really makes no sense, so I'd be asking carefully what the dealer would really give you if you had cash. i.e. could I have a 23 for the same price cash?
tjkubota93
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2k is alot to a tightwaud like me. That's why I got a 1860.
I had to bring proof of home owners covering the tractor to opt out of Kubota insurance.
The dealers probably only get push back on insurance and accessories from the cheap *** 18xx buyers!
I was afraid to buy used, after being an equipment mechanic at a utility. Was afraid of what someone would have done to a small tractor with a hst transmission before I got it from them. (Use it like a d9 dozer for 2 years, go buy a d9 and sell the abused turd after putting the wrong fluid in the trans and not changing the filters)
tjkubota93
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Your out the door is around 500-1000 more than I paid 6 yrs ago, sounds right everything goes up in price.
tjkubota93
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The 23 will probably hold resale better or be easier to re sell later since its more popular. I
ThirdMan
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I bought my first SCUT last spring. I am in a similar position to you and think a BX will be a 1 machine that will do what you need. A dedicated mowing machine like a zero turn or a fancy garden tractor is a better mower (the turning radius of a SCUT is not great), but a SCUT can mow at pretty high speed and with a 5 foot deck you need an expensive mower to compare. All the other tasks you list will be fine on your size property. I can't speak to how much more you would like the different BX models.
We have no regret on buying a SCUT instead of two machines, it is a real workhorse but not too big for cutting a decent lawn. Without it we would be way less efficient in a wide variety of land maintenance and improvement tasks.