Decision time: used or new NH?

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BruceNorthEast

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NH
Tractor
New Holland TC35A
Hi guys.

I’m weighing in here to get your opinions before I finally make my decision.

To recap why I need a tractor (those that have read my earlier posts, please skip on down to the machines/prices section):
I’ve got 20 acres of mostly open area, with maybe two or three in woods. There’s about 13 or so in hay and corn, and I’m letting an area dairy farm take everything – they give me four dozen square bales for our 1.5 horses.
I need to keep my 600’ gravel driveway open in the winter (plow truck just died), and in decent shape during the warmer months.
I have several small to moderate landscaping projects that are waiting.
I need to move some manure/dirt & other material from time to time.
I’d like to pull an occasional log out of the woods or a bucket load of split.
I want to keep all the growth around the borders of the fields in check.
I’d another option besides my push mower when my little riding mower doesn’t want to cut my 1.5 acre lawn.
I’d like the option of playing with a little real farm work down the road…
To date everything I’ve done has this either been by hand, wheel barrow, ATV & little wagon or my pickup.

Now, I’ve spent most of the last few months looking and researching.

I was shocked at the resale prices of used machines, especially what I consider to be a must have: MFWD/4WD. I also figured I needed around 35 PTO HP, meaning a 40 to 45 hp machine.

Most of what I’ve looked at has either been priced so close to new that the new machines financing makes the older machines look like bad choices, or tired old units in need of servicing.

This steadily drove my planned-on-price up further and further. Finally I decided to start looking a little smaller and came across what I’m currently considering – but then I stumbled onto a really great deal on what I really want.

What I really want will completely blow my savings, but the monthly payments will be only a little more than the used machine (maybe 20% more). Used will blow about 75% of my savings.

Worst of all, this really great deal is on a large established dealership that is only fifteen minutes down the road.

All of the anxiety for having what I really want just within the edge of m reach has cause me a lot of lost sleep these past few weeks. I’m hoping you guys can help me make this decision – or at least help prevent me from missing something that could cause a significant mistake.

I’m considering a used New Holland 1920. It is nine years old and has 900 hours. It was meticulously cared for and looks clean. This dealer, also a very reasonable distance from me, wants $14k and will not budge. I believe that this is a fair deal, because it is a tough little workhorse, but not a great deal.

Now for the temptation: I’ve always liked the boomers, and the local dealer has zero hours TC45 that he wants to move. It is not the deluxe model, so it has been passed by for it’s sexier siblings. But it is all I want. It has a 16LA FEL & 72” bucket & chain hooks, and loaded R4s. Because it’s been sitting and it is nearing the end of the year, they’ll take $21k, Yes you read correct. Sick isn’t it.

Both of these machines are 12x12 synch’d shuttle shift.

The used machine will have about 80% the same payments as new (though not for quite so long), and cost nearly as much down – but it wont completely empty my savings account (just most of it).

My wife wants me to save the money and take the used machine, but she won't be mad if I go new. I am split, the used machine makes a lot of sense because this is my first tractor and will leave a small savings (unless things go wrong). But I fear I’ll never come close to a deal like this again on the machine I think I really want – especially not from a local dealer (the local dealerships average about 1K-1.5K more than the ones four plus hours away). And because of dealer financing, used versions of the TC45 would have to be rediculously good deals to compete.

Either way, the macine I buy will spend the winter under a tarp, and move into a run-in shed come spring.

Now you understand my dilemma. Please help me spend or save my money! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Bruce.
 
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I forgot to mention that the 1920 has a factory FEL and bucket (I think 60"), and loaded ag tires.
 
   / Decision time: used or new NH? #3  
Well, the TC45 is 150% of the 1920. The payments may only be 20% higher...that 20% is how many dollars? Can you make that extra cost comfortably? Only you (and your wife) can make that decision.

I reckon I'd go for the used tractor...for the reasons I'd listed in your other post.

Good luck on your decision!
 
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Bruce, I can feel your pain. I was kinda set on a Kioti DK45S, for an extremely attractive price, with an aftermarket Rhino loader. Well, then on an just one last time go a round the dealer circle I stopped at the NH dealer, and spoke with the sales rep. I still had the good as gold quote on a TC35A, 12/12 trans, 16LA, QA bucket, loaded R4s, deluxe hitch, one rear remote, and wanted a quote also on the NH TC48DA, which I felt was more tractor than the Kioti DK45S, but that was more tractor than the TC35A. After receiving the quote, which by all posted amounts for a TC48DA on TBN, I must say was an outstanding offer to put me into a TC48DA. I then went back home to think it over, and try and get over the new tractor bug. So.......I called the Kioti dealer, who was basicly cutting the legs out from all the other offers I received from several Kioti dealers, and I had a bit of a not so good conversation with him. By the time he ordered a DK45S, and installed an aftermarket loader. Which would have worked of course, but wasn't a NH sloped down beauty. I would have almost been at the NH TC48DA cost. At those levels, a few $K more to get what you truely want is just a bit more to pay, for whatever life time of joy you will spend together. I know you see where this is going. I then called the NH dealer to find out about the rear remote I wanted, and to see if I could purchase it at a later date, and install myself. The price was the same, now, or later, made no difference. Plus if purchased with the tractor, the dealer would install as price quoted. Then Justin, God Bless his Soul, said what do I have to do to make this deal happen? I let him know my heart on this subject, and now I am the owner of a most wonderful New Holland TC48DA, which I absolutely love. There is love between a man and a women, but then there is that special love that man keeps for his tractor, or was that Porsche? Oh, yea, Terrie didn't speak to me for 2 weeks after that line. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif And while on the that subject how did the doggie get the coveted title, Man's Best Friend! Whee, must have done something pretty special to earn that. I wish you the best of luck with your tough decision, but remembe, as a first time tractor buyer, a 2 year bumper to bumper warrenty goes good, and the 3 year power train is excellent. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gifIH3444
 

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Ford-New Holland
1920
Manufactured: 1987 - 2000
Cost: (US Dollars) $15,500 (2000)

Power:
Engine (HP): 32
PTO (HP): 29

Engine:
Manufacturer: Shibaura
Fuel: diesel
Cylinders: 4
Displacement (ci): 122
Compression:
Rated RPMs:
Torque (ft-lbs):
Firing order:
Oil capacity (qts):

Transmission:
Forward: 12
Reverse: 4

Transmission:
Forward: 12
Reverse: 12

MFWD: optional

Capacity:
Fuel (Gal): 9.8
Cooling (Qt): 5.9

3-Point:
Category: I
Lift (lbs): 2,185

Power Take-off (PTO):
Type: continuous
Rear speed (RPM): 540

Hydraulics:
Type: open
Capacity (gal): 30.7
Total Flow (gpm):
Outlet Flow (gpm): 7.8
Outlets:

Tires:
Ag front: 5.50-16
Ag rear: 13.6-24

Dimensions:
Weight (pounds): 3,300
Wheelbase (inches): 69.9
Length (inches):
Width (inches):
Height (inches):
Ground clearance (inches):

Electrical:
Battery volts:
Ground:
Battery cold-cranking amps:
Alternator amps:

Serial Numbers:
 
   / Decision time: used or new NH? #9  
I have read this thread, the one below on this page, and your thread on another forum (I forget which one).

Have you considered looking at used ag utility tractors? I believe you said you have 20 acres, and at some time in the future, you might look at doing some haying. Although unless you have 100+ head of cattle, you will be better off buying your hay, I don't think the CUT tractors are up to haying.

I bought a NH 3930, about a 99 model I think, for 10K this summer. It has 800 hours on it. I just looked at a 3930 in the Georgia Farmers and Consumers Market Bulletin. It has twenty-nine (29) hours total, a front-end loader, for 17,500. That is a lot of tractor when compared to a CUT. There are a couple more 3930's with less than 1000 hours listed for $12,500.

I posted in another forum, Ag Tractors and Machinery, about my luck buying used farm tractors over the years. Out of about 20 used tractors I have purchased, I have only been burned once, and I knew better when I bought that tractor.

If you have 20 acres, I think you would be more satisfied with a farm tractor than with a CUT. Four wheel drive is nice, but not an absolute necessity. Farm utility tractors are built to stand a lot of hard use. There are plenty of 30+ year-old tractors like this still doing hard work in my area.

I looked at MF tractors earlier this year. The low-end ag utility tractor, I forget the model, but it is about 48-50hp, was actually cheaper than their middle-size CUT, and was twice the tractor.
 
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I test drove a TC40 and it seemed like a fine machine. The TC45 sounds like a heck of a deal, the 1920 not so much. I think the TC45 is also lighter which would make it easier on your lawn. For lawn work you probably would not want loaded tires or a used AG tractor. The loader goes on and off real fast on the TC45 but with unloaded tires you would need a heavy implement or a balast box on the back for counterweight. I think you would be sorry if you passed up that deal on the TC45. Maybe the dealer would transfer the liquid from the tires of the TC45 to another machine on his lot and knock another couple hundred bucks off of your price.
 

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