Dam Beavers & the State of Michigan

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This was sent to me in an e mail. To verify that it is not just another one of the urban legends, I did a Google search and found the true origins. Here is the link if you want to check for yourself..... Another good example of government at work....
If this has been previously posted, please excuse me.... thanks..... The link to www.truthorfiction.com
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Mr. Ryan DeVries
2088 Dagget
Pierson, MI 49339

Dear Mr. DeVries:

SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm Count-,),

It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent
unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond.

A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301,. Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated.

The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially, failed during a recent rain event, causing debris dams and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff.

Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action.

We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.


Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative
Land and Water Management Division
616-356-0269
dlp:bjc
cc: LWMD, Lansing
MontcaImCEA
Pierson Township
Lieutenant Mary C. Sherzer, DNR LED

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Reply:
Stephen and Rosalind Tvedten
2530 Hayes Street
Marne, MI 49435-9751
616-677-1261
616-677-1262 Fax
steve@getipm.com
1/6/98

David L. Price
District Representative
Land and Water Management Division
Grand Rapids District Office
State Office Bldg., 6th Floor
350 Ottawa, N.W.
Grand Rapids, MI 49503-2341

Dear Mr. Price:

Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County

Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.

First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris". I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.

As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer.

The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter -- being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda first. As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy - or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!

In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then.

In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem; bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!)

Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.


Sincerely,

Stephen L.Tvedten

xc: PETA
 
   / Dam Beavers & the State of Michigan #2  
Another summary at Snopes2.com regarding Dammed Beavers. Although it is listed on Snopes2.com, they conclude that the letters were real, and not an urban legend.
 
   / Dam Beavers & the State of Michigan #3  
Whats PETa ?? People eating tasty animals ? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Thats dam funny. The really funny part is the addresses, names and phone # of the DEQ are dam close. We know from dam personal experience dealing with the dam DEQ. The creek that borders my property is just a trickle now thanx to the beavers at the next camp. Personally I like the little pudgers but they cause a dam mess. Several weeks ago we were leaving and the authorized trapper for the greater club was leaving and several others were stopped talking to him. Sometimes it can take a goood hour and a half to travel the five miles between the main gate and camp as we stop and visit everyone we pass. Not stopping is considered poor form. Anyhow the old trapper had a Beaver in the back that was a good 45#. It seems the bachelors get restless in the fall and roam /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Maybee we should start a reality show for them....Bachelor Bucky /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif While this may indeed be urban myth its overall not a great deal of exageration. In point of fact the DEQ does regulate the wetlands but the DNR is the one who would hand out the dam beaver permits. As far as being dam crafty we now have to use culverts that are plastic and smooth inside as Bucky likes to jam sticks in the steel ones and Dam or jam them. Hay a beavers gotta have a sense of humor too /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Dave
 
   / Dam Beavers & the State of Michigan #4  
Dave,

After I read your dam post this morning, I realized I make it look as if the dam letters were bogus. Actually, although this exchange is listed on Snopes2.com (my favorite urban legend debunker site), Snopes2's conclusion was that both dam letters were legitimate. I modified my dam post to reflect that.

The fact that this is a true dam story makes it even better.
 
   / Dam Beavers & the State of Michigan #5  
What a dam story...poor dam beavers... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
   / Dam Beavers & the State of Michigan #6  
That's a great story! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

My story isn't quite as entertaining, but it is true.

A few years ago, we had a drowning of a child that fell into a river by a dam that was a popular location for fisherman. As a result of the incident, we had a bunch of Loss Control Consultants come in to evaluate and make recommendations for safety improvements.

Well, a committee was formed to work with the consultants, and the committee was called.........you guessed it - The Dam Committee.

A few weeks after all of the reviews were completed, we were going to make a report to our City Council, and I was elected to make the report. Well, I got up to speak, and I started out by saying that the Dam Committee had......

I got stopped in mid sentence by a Council member who promptly read me the riot act for such bad language at a public meeting. As he went on and on about my bad choice of words, I was looking around the room and watching virtually every person trying to keep from laughing. When the Council member finally stopped and asked what I had to say for myself, I quietly commented that it was the name of the committee, not my personal feeling about the committee.

He got REAL quiet, real <font color="red"> RED </font>, and asked for a short recess. I sure am glad the recess was granted, because I don't think I could have finished my report right then without breaking up! /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Doc... you might like Snoops as a resource for verifying the accuracy of information, but all that I can say about them is that they are a DAM /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif snooping organization, because when you click on their DAM site, that they will install a tracking cookie on your computer to see where else you visit on the WWW. This is a DAM shame that they have to resort to this type of DAM espionage... I am DAM upset about it and glad that my software eliminated their DAM pop ups and tracking.... Damned if you do and damned if you don't...... /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Dam Beavers & the State of Michigan #8  
Here, my personal dam war has led to this dam beaver in my house where his dam use to be. Now his/her family who where into daming up everything in dam site, got the message and left me and the dam alone.

It was quite a war for a while, the dam is still there, though.
But the dam beavers are either stuffed, staked or six feet under.

This one was 48 pounds.

-Mike Z. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 

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