Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong

   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #391  
Yep. It was surprisingly natural to control direction and speed with your left hand, steer with your right hand and operate the brake pedal with your right heel while sitting on the hood. The brake and directional lever were somehow interconnected, as when you push on the brake pedal, it would center the directional control from either direction. I'm not sure if it even had brakes at all.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #392  
Nothing beat the ride of my old Gravely Pro 12, with a steering sulky and those handles whipping up and down with changes in terrain threatening to smash your knee caps or crown jewels. But the fun part was going around corners hanging on for dear life.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #393  
Having some experience under my belt, I am even more convinced now than I was when I began looking at tractors a year ago that the design of compact tractors, for us weekend diggers as opposed to real farmers, is all wrong. It is a design that has devolved, in an anti-Darwinian fashion, from a series of historical compromises and from blind mimicry of grandpa's agricultural tractor.

Here is a list of the design flaws and the obvious remedies:

1. The 3ph is an abomination. It is an historical industry compromise that, like all compromises, is a mediocrity at best. It is the interface that has launched a thousand hernias (and a googolplex cursewords). It needs to be replaced by the kind of simple, 30-second attachment interface that skidsteers have.

2. Mowers should be on the front of a tractor. This is so for both finish mowers and brush mowers. It is also so for snow blades and snowblowers. Having any of these in the middle or back of the tractor is inefficient, clumsy, and puts you in the hospital for with neck problems in addition to your hernia. The solution is having fully independent attachment interfaces on both ends of the tractor. Thus, for example, you could have the mower on the front and the FEL on the back as your "regular" set-up. This would also have the virtue of eliminating the need for clunky, useless counterweights for the rear of the tractor such as weight boxes, concrete-filled cans or trendy boxblades.

3. This naturally means you should be able to swivel the driver's seat around and drive in either direction. Thereby, your FEL or hoe would then be in front of you for proper operation, with the mower (or other useful implement) then becoming the "rear" counterweight.

4. The power connection to the attachment interfaces should be hydraulic, not mechanical. Just one-second quick-connect couplers. No more dangerous, twirling pto shafts to to catch your lovebead neckaces and choke you to death. No more clumsy, heavy implement shafts. No more lining up splines, or fiddling with collars and buttons.

5. All wheels should be the same size. Small front wheels are (for us weekend diggers) a largely useless artifact of agricultural crop row navigation. Might as well put sundials on tractors. Having equal wheel sizes would have many benefits. There would be a larger tractor footrprint and hence greater overall floatation. There would be less scuffing of lawns and imprinting in soils, and less sinking into wet soils and mud, because it is the small front tires that are the primary culprits in these matters. You could change tire sizes without worrying about differing 4wd circumference ratios between the front and rear wheels. You could fill all four tires for more traction and stability, and be driving an overall more weight-balanced vehicle. You would have better traction in 4wd, which should be significant in mud and snow applications.

6. Because mowing is a primary activity of compact users, these tractors should all articulate. This means they pivot in the middle to promote ease of turning and driving.

7. They should be significantly cheaper than they are. Why should a small compact tractor cost more than a compact car? Tractors are 1930 technology, for goodness sakes, and have relatively few parts. Something is wrong. They are way overpriced.

Having been on sabbatical from this forum for several months, I am pleased to observe that there is now an American-made product that cures most of these problems and meets most of these objectives: the Power-Trac, courageously purchased by Willingtonpizza. Having reviewed the Power-Trac on their website, it is obvious that there is no sane reason anymore to purchase the historically-flawed compact tractor.

You all may disgree with this, of course.

I have a PT 1425 and love it for all the reasons mentioned. When I brush hog I can see what im doing. Im about to buy a mahinra 1526 and think everything is backwards.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #394  
I have a PT 1425 and love it for all the reasons mentioned. When I brush hog I can see what im doing. Im about to buy a mahinra 1526 and think everything is backwards.
If the PT is so effective... why buy the Mahindra? Doesn't make sense.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #395  
Very interesting thread I don’t agree with everything the OP stated especially hydraulic drive inefficiencies but those articulated Italian tractors are **** nice. If service and dealer support was better I think I would buy one of those and a compact telehandler and call it a day.
 
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #396  
And how much weight can you bring to bear on those teeth if the front wheels are off the ground? Tons! 👍

Decided to update this, since the thread became active again.

Used the crane scale to measure the weight on the bucket teeth:

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2,383 pounds, not as much as I expected:

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The bucket weighs 818 pounds and the Toolcat weighs 5835 pounds:

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   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #397  
Small tractors are maybe not misdesigned but largly misused/abused. You hire a contractor to get rid of some trees or move some dirt and he won't show up with a little tractor.

I said it before. Tractors with FELs were meant to move manure and hay bales,not digging or removing trees. The very fact that you have to add extra ballast to the rear end is proof, that these things were never designed to carry and move weight up front.
 
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   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #398  
   / Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong #399  
Yep, 8 real sharp teeth:

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