CK30HST Wiring Disconnected

[LeTempt]

When I got my new 2008 CK30HST on Tuesday I found out that the headlights would not come on. Hoped that it would be something simple like a blown fuse, but no luck there. The hazard lights and blinkers work as they are supposed to, but neither the headlights or amber tail lights come on when the headlight switch is turned to the low or high beam position. The instrument panel back lighting comes on when the headlight switch is turned to the low beam and high beam position. The brake lights also work as they are supposed to. The high beam indicator light on the instrument panel does not come on when the headlight switch is turned to the high beam position.

As I looked over the tractor I found several wires that were disconnected. I did read about a few of these wires in earlier discussions about installing work lights on the back of the tractor. Unfortunately (as I stated in my earlier post) I am 240 miles from the deal where I bought the tractor. I did contact them to describe the problem, but they did not have an obvious solution. The service technician called me to let me know that he had contacted Kioti, but everyone in the department that he needed to talk to was off until next Monday.

Slide 1 - underside of operator platform below brake pedals.
Slide 2 - below right side of SMV emblem
Slide 3 - below left side of SMV emblem
Slide 4 - above right 3 point hitch arm
Slide 5 - in front of clutch pedal

I was looking at the wire colors with a flashlight, so it was hard to tell the difference between a white stripe and a gray stripe. Pretty sure the 2 connectors above the 3 point hitch on the right side under the seat pan are as they are supposed to be (slide 4), but I am surprised there is not some kind of a plug cover on the large round connector.

Should these wires be disconnected? Could any of these be causing my headlights to not work? or causing the indicator/warning lights on the instrument panel to (apparently) not be functioning properly (ref my post earlier this evening)?

Thanks in advance for your advice and assistance!!

Jeff
Enterprise, AL

 

[Gittyup]

What you need is a shop manual that has the schematics in it. Wish I had it to help you with. Someone who does hopefully will chime in.

But as a wild guess, if there is a relay that actuates the head/tail lights, that would be the first place I'd look since all other lights appear to be working. Most of the relays are under the hood on the back firewall, I believe. The high beam indicator is probably tied in directly with the highbeam circuit. So, it's no surprise it isn't coming on too.

I'd be surprised if any of those you have photographed is the culprit. But, it sure seems to be an aweful lot of loose wires in there. I'd bet the black male one's are direct shorts to ground. It illustrates that all of them should be better protected, at least with some dielectric grease, and perhaps some mastic.

Given your distance from the dealer, you might want to invest in a manual.

 

[Avondale]

I am unsure if this applies to your model but my DK 35 has a white connector plug that must be disconnected to take the front nose off the tractor hood. Could be someone took off to show battery compt or clean rad and did not re-connect?

 

[kioticork]

I have a new CK30 that I purchased 3 weeks ago. I had a similar problem with the front and rear lights. My problem was that every time i turned the lights on, it was blowing the 20 amp fuse.
I am located only 20 minutes from my dealer, Rodick Farm Machinery in
Schroon Lake, NY, and they came out and after following all of the wires, and checking/applying dielectric grease to all connections, no more problem. We figured it to be either a little moisture, or something was not quite connected.
I am impressed with the tractor as well as the service from Rodick's.

Cork

 

[IslandTractor]

Jeff, sorry to hear about your electrical problem. It does sound like you'd need an electrical schema diagram to make much sense of it but as you have posted very clear photos it's possible one of the TBN active dealers or their mechanics could help. Try a PM to Rick Wallace directing him to your post and see if his guys can give you an answer.

Unless you are needing to work at night right now I guess at least you can use the tractor over the weekend. Nothing worse than a new tool that doesn't work.

 

[MichiganIron]

Jeff, the plugs in your pictures do not appear to be anything you need to worry about.

Please check the following, In order:

Fuse / fusebox under the right side of the instrument cowl.

The headlight relays are mounted under the hood near the battery on the right side of the tractor. Make sure a relay plugs are not loose. The 2 relays closest to the grill are the low and high beam relays.

There is a white plug under the hood near the back of the engine. It connects to hood light harness to the main wiring harness. Make sure that plug is not loose.

Continuity check the combination switch.

Check all ground connections.

Hope that helps...

 

[Steve_Miller]

1. Don't know
2. Bullet connectors are rear work light (label on fuse panel) Connector, can't remember
3. Double spade connector is 'customer use' as labeled in fuse panel
4. Round connector is (I assume) for a cab. Both turn signals and park lamps plus a ground. Capped plug I don't remember that one either.
5. Don't know

Hope this helps now or later if you want to add lights.

Steve

 

[PAB_OH]

4. Round connector is (I assume) for a cab. Steve

I believe the round connector is for the trailer plug. Euro machines have these on them a lot of times. I've been kicking around the idea of hooking mine up. I have no reason to do so other than to be able to say I did it.

 

[LeTempt]

Went over to the hangar and got my multi-meter today to do a little troubleshooting with the headlights. Without an electrical diagram it took me longer than it should have. Thanks to Mighigan Iron for some troubleshooting tips.

- The fuse was good.

- The headlight relays were secure.

- White plug was secure.

- Switch checked out fine.

- Grounds were all fine.

Then I started digging in with my own troubleshooting.

- Both headlight high and low beams work when I applied power directly to the bulbs.

- All wires check out just fine.

- I am getting 12 volts to the relays (orange wire on front relay for the low beams and brown wire with stripe on the aft relay for the high beams)....BUT I am not getting 12 volts out of the relays to the headlights (white wire on the front relay for the low beams and brown wire on the aft relay for the high beams). The relays are clicking when the headlight switch is turned on.

What are the chances that 2 relays are bad right out of the dealership on a brand new tractor? I have probably 10 or 15 of these relays that I got at the salvage yard...but the chances of me finding them are slim to none. We are in the process of moving from MO to AL and I can't find anything.

Contrary to my initial post, I believe my tail lights are working as they are supposed to. The red lights are on dim when the headlights are in the low and high beam position and when I press on the brake pedal they come on bright (just like a car). The amber lights work as the turn signals with the hazard lights. I had the parking brake on when I checked things out the first time and of course the red lights were on, but I did not think the running lights were working - glad I figured that out without any work.

As I was crawling around the tractor, I found 3 more groups of wires that were disconnected. They might not be needed or used for anything, but I am disappointed that they are just hanging out in the breeze with no protection at all. Couldn't they at least have put a wrap of electrical tape around the wire to keep me from wondering if they are used for anything?

Going out to put it to work tomorrow for the first time!!!

Jeff
Enterprise, AL

 

[Gittyup]

Did you check that the relay control voltages (not the relay switching voltage) were being actuated when you switch on the lights? Sounds like they are getting this voltage since you hear clicking, but worth checking anyway. It is unlikely that both are bad. It might be that they are wired in series or that one enables the other: you need the low beam relay before the highbeam relay will work. Again just a guess. The control voltage behavior might be a good indicator of what is really going on here.