Oil & Fuel CK20 fuel tank relocation ?

[JoelD]

If serious bent on shortening the how mount how about fabing hoe (metkit) had one previously. Super super strong hoe and you could mount anyway you want, would be $1000 less or so than woods and every bit as strong, more welding, but could set up exactly as you want. Just a thought.

another avenue would be try the stock woods setup and maybe it would not be an issue after all??

What is the root cause? Trailering, parking? I would think woods has built as they have for some good reasons.

Joel

 

[Slackdaddy]

Guy's,
1) Parking and trailer is not an issue, I want a TLB, the hoe will be on there
"most" of the time. I don't need something hanging 10' out the back
to smack the chicken coop/shed/garden fence/ every time I make a turn.

2) There is really NO Excuse for the Backhoe on a 20K CUT to look the way it
does (Kioti, woods, etc), even if I did shorten the brackets, the woods
hoe hangs way down, why is it not strait up in the stored position ??
(see the pic of the 580) I would have paid cash for a TLB CUT months
ago, but cant find one that is even remotley well thought out.
Do the folks that design them EVER use one ??

3) Looked at the Kubota's, not in a million years. even the CK20 FEL is
a little light for My taste.

4) The Woods subframe would not be modified, just the brackets,
see page 9, part 5 and 6. But I still need to make the hoe stand up in
the stored position.
http://www.woodsequipment.com/assets/0/855/38/79/91/7c41a7a403b74d7ab6d7353ae8b728d0.pdf


I hope no one thinks I want to go through all this ??
I just need a small, wide CUT, (not a BX lawn tractor), FEL has to do #1000
(1500# would be nice, and a hoe that stores tight to the rear.
Why is this such an odd request ??

Slack

 

[crabjoe]

I hope no one thinks I want to go through all this ??
I just need a small, wide CUT, (not a BX lawn tractor), FEL has to do #1000
(1500# would be nice, and a hoe that stores tight to the rear.
Why is this such an odd request ??

Slack

Not an odd request. In fact, I would love it if my BH didn't stick out so far too.

I can't speak for these manufacturers but there must be a reason for their design. And if I had to guess, I'd suspect it has to do with stability when digging. With the hoe sitting further back, I would think it would allow the Hoe to put more pressure into digging without picking up the front wheels; allowing for more digging force without causing stress to the tractor, in case the hoe picks the front or rear of the tractor off the ground.

 

[Spider]

Not sure if this is possible as I have not seen the CK20 other than in a brochure. Is it possible to fit a swivel seat instead of the standard fixed seat? That way you could use the same seat for tractor and backhoe. You would have to get off to turn it around though.

When I first looked at the backhoe arrangement on the CK35 I did wonder if the only reason that it is set so far back from the rear of the tractor is so that the backhoe seat clears the drivers seat and ROPS.

 

[JoelD]

I would think, as stated previously, by shortening you may loose a bunch of leverage and front end will come up a lot.

We are all on your side, want to see this work out.

Joel

 

[gravel13]

Slack, how much room do you have to play with? As dfkrug mentioned, what about modifying the seat to sit higher after you mod the bracket, that in combination of maybe changing the stock fuel tank to a flat poly tank? Don't know if it is even possible, but maybe something like a small flat tank used for boats or maybe utilizing something like this? :NorthStar Gas Tank 6.5 Gallon | Generator Gas Tanks | Northern Tool + Equipment

 

[dfkrug]

Not sure if this is possible as I have not seen the CK20 other than in a brochure. Is it possible to fit a swivel seat instead of the standard fixed seat? That way you could use the same seat for tractor and backhoe. You would have to get off to turn it around though.

When I first looked at the backhoe arrangement on the CK35 I did wonder if the only reason that it is set so far back from the rear of the tractor is so that the backhoe seat clears the drivers seat and ROPS.

The seat is one of the reasons, I am sure, that the add-on hoe subframes
are made the way they are. All 4 of the custom subframes I built reqd
modifying the hoe seat mount. I also went to a smaller seat for the hoe.
Usually the seat on the hoe was folded up when the tractor seat was
down, and conversely. Flipping the seats as I switched from tractor to
hoe was easy.

There are numerous reasons that Woods or the tractor maker has chosen
the design they did. Woods makes over a 100 hoe subframes so they do
not spend tons of time designing each one, I am sure. They also make a
number of compromises for expediency. Some of those compromises are
more acceptable (to me and others) than other compromises. One subframe
I bought from Woods reqd a bracket that bolted into the holes reqd by the
3PH. To use the 3PH, you had to unbolt this bracket after taking the hoe
off. It is harder to design and fab a subframe that is closer in to the rear
of the tractor, but it is possible AND desirable. Woods and other manuf
don't want to require different seat configurations for different tractors,
either.

The B21 I have is a good paradigm of compact design. Very close-in and
rigid hoe mount, plus short wheel base. Very nimble. I weighed the hoe
at 1050 lb, which is only about 50 lb less than my Prairie Dog hoe that I
mounted on my old JD 955. The 955 is another 2000 lb tractor that compares
very well to the CK20 and B21. Too bad it is no longer made.

 

[hosejockey2002]

I'll have to post a pic when I get a chance, but looking at my BH70X on my CK20, if you could relocate the fuel tank, you could shorten the subframe maybe 6" before the seats interfere with each other, so you wouldn't gain much. The pic earlier in the thread looks like a BH6000 on a CK20, which IMO is kind of goofy. The BH6000 belongs on a SCUT. The seat on the BH70X is higher.

 

[dfkrug]

I'll have to post a pic when I get a chance, but looking at my BH70X on my CK20, if you could relocate the fuel tank, you could shorten the subframe maybe 6" before the seats interfere with each other, so you wouldn't gain much.

As I mentioned, the hoe seat can be folded up when the tractor seat is
down, and conversely. On my 955, the two seats when down occupy the
same location. This customization is easier than fabbing the subframe
or modifying the fuel tank.

 

[Dmace]

As I mentioned, the hoe seat can be folded up when the tractor seat is
down, and conversely. On my 955, the two seats when down occupy the
same location. This customization is easier than fabbing the subframe
or modifying the fuel tank.

The suspension seat on the CK20 does not fold up. The backhoe is farther away from the tractor for a reason, you need that leverage of the tractor's weight farther from the fulcrum (stabilizers) so that you are not constantly lifting the tractor up. Even with my stock KB2365 Kioti backhoe, I can get a good grib on a stump and lift the front end up a good 6" with the loader on, cab and loaded tires. I am careful setting it down so as not to hurt anything. Shortening that leverage and putting the backhoe closer to the tractor will make this much easier and you will lose leg space on the backhoe seat. I personally don't think it's worth it.

On a side note, the Kioti KB2365 backhoe is incredibly strong and has moved some stumps and rocks larger then itself for me.

 

[dfkrug]

The suspension seat on the CK20 does not fold up. The backhoe is farther away from the tractor for a reason, you need that leverage of the tractor's weight farther from the fulcrum (stabilizers) so that you are not constantly lifting the tractor up.

I do not recall that about the CK20 seat and it is no longer here. That
would best be changed, too.

As for the forces generated by even the smaller hoes, all of them can
toss a 2000lb tractor around. You are correct that a hoe attachment
mounted farther rearward will be less likely to tip up the front end. It is
still a fitment compromise as you can see that all integrated TLBs, even
the very light ones like the BX24TLB/BT601 mount their hoes very close
in to the back of the tractor. Among Kiotis, the LK3054TLB/2376 is the
most integrated and close-in mounted.

 

[IslandTractor]

I do not recall that about the CK20 seat and it is no longer here. That would best be changed, too.

Be careful about changing that suspension seat. It is $600 of bottom line comfort for all the non BH functions of the tractor.