CK20 and backhoe options

KiotiJohn · May 20, 2006

( I don't see how the FEL would determine which BH you could buy. There is no connection that I can envision. Maybe KiotiJohn can explain the possible connection. )

The reason I said that is that I have only seen the Woods loader with the Woods backhoe installed. I know that the Kioti subframes have hooked mounts that attach on the bottom of the loader mounts for their backhoe attachment, and wondered if Woods has those mounts to do on a Kioti loader, or if their loader would be required.

The Woods subframes ride up higher than do the Kioti subframes, so I can't picture how they would hook up to the Kioti loaders.

I hope this clears up the confusion.
John

KiotiJohn · May 20, 2006

( I don't see how the FEL would determine which BH you could buy. There is no connection that I can envision. Maybe KiotiJohn can explain the possible connection. )

The reason I said that is that I have only seen the Woods loader with the Woods backhoe installed. I know that the Kioti subframes have hooked mounts that attach on the bottom of the loader mounts for their backhoe attachment, and wondered if Woods has those mounts to do on a Kioti loader, or if their loader would be required.

The Woods subframes ride up higher than do the Kioti subframes, so I can't picture how they would hook up to the Kioti loaders.

I hope this clears up the confusion.
John

VictorW · May 20, 2006

On my CK30hst, I have the Kioti KL130 fel and the KB2375 bh. No problems as of yet. One warranty issue each with the fel and bh but all was repaired and not anything like Highbeam. I see KiotiJohn's reasoning. The mountings for the fel also hold the plates for the front of the bh frame to lock into. You definately would have to check into that or end up crafting a special mount.
The Rhino bh is nice and so is the Woods. Both worth looking into but the Woods I think costs more. Ask questoins as you go and I'm sure you'll get some answers here. Good Luck on your quest.

VictorW · May 20, 2006

On my CK30hst, I have the Kioti KL130 fel and the KB2375 bh. No problems as of yet. One warranty issue each with the fel and bh but all was repaired and not anything like Highbeam. I see KiotiJohn's reasoning. The mountings for the fel also hold the plates for the front of the bh frame to lock into. You definately would have to check into that or end up crafting a special mount.
The Rhino bh is nice and so is the Woods. Both worth looking into but the Woods I think costs more. Ask questoins as you go and I'm sure you'll get some answers here. Good Luck on your quest.

Highbeam · May 20, 2006

I'll be brief since it's off topic.

Don't waste your time looking for an improved loader design. Their is no change from old to new. The CK30 loader has the radiused bits and the CK20 loader does not. Ever more loaders are being "repaired" by Kioti dealers and not replaced under warranty as Kioti is determined to not replace anything that can be repaired. The Kioti dealer has asked me to gripe at Kioti since they are very discouraged with this position. I'll post my gripe letter here with a summary photo chronology.

They're not junk, the loaders are just not up to par with the rest of the machine. Like putting p-rated car tires on a one ton truck.

Highbeam · May 20, 2006

I'll be brief since it's off topic.

Don't waste your time looking for an improved loader design. Their is no change from old to new. The CK30 loader has the radiused bits and the CK20 loader does not. Ever more loaders are being "repaired" by Kioti dealers and not replaced under warranty as Kioti is determined to not replace anything that can be repaired. The Kioti dealer has asked me to gripe at Kioti since they are very discouraged with this position. I'll post my gripe letter here with a summary photo chronology.

They're not junk, the loaders are just not up to par with the rest of the machine. Like putting p-rated car tires on a one ton truck.

hotairballoon · May 20, 2006

Gravel13 in Highbeams original thread regarding the problem seems to have the cracks even with the updated loader. They just moved. So I am not convinced that the problem is solved. I would think that the entire opening should be reinforced, or a heavier bottom plate extending clear across the arm would be better than the gussets that are being used. Seems like a not very well engineered fix to me. I check mine every time I lube the loader, no problems so far, but I am not even up to 50 hours yet. Also I don't think many problems have been reported on the KL120 as of yet. I have seen some fairly serious twisting on mine recently while trying to break loose some sizeable stubborn rocks, but fatigue breaks take a while to surface.

hotairballoon · May 20, 2006

Gravel13 in Highbeams original thread regarding the problem seems to have the cracks even with the updated loader. They just moved. So I am not convinced that the problem is solved. I would think that the entire opening should be reinforced, or a heavier bottom plate extending clear across the arm would be better than the gussets that are being used. Seems like a not very well engineered fix to me. I check mine every time I lube the loader, no problems so far, but I am not even up to 50 hours yet. Also I don't think many problems have been reported on the KL120 as of yet. I have seen some fairly serious twisting on mine recently while trying to break loose some sizeable stubborn rocks, but fatigue breaks take a while to surface.

KiotiJohn · May 20, 2006

( Ever more loaders are being "repaired" by Kioti dealers and not replaced under warranty as Kioti is determined to not replace anything that can be repaired. )
I would just ask how it is that you know that "Ever more loaders are being "repaired" ...?

The few others that posted having cracks haven't said that, and there were only a few.
John

KiotiJohn · May 20, 2006

( Ever more loaders are being "repaired" by Kioti dealers and not replaced under warranty as Kioti is determined to not replace anything that can be repaired. )
I would just ask how it is that you know that "Ever more loaders are being "repaired" ...?

The few others that posted having cracks haven't said that, and there were only a few.
John