chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners?

   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners?
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#11  
Don't expect an improvement in your fuel economy. I'm not saying you wouldn't get an improvement, but I doubt you will earn back the money you spent for it. The biggest reason to get one is the power gains.

since it will work on 2 of my trucks.. I figured it might spread the cost.

heck. the flashpad I looked at simply says 'ford diesel 99-2013 '

i take it that would include my work truck f250 6.0

migth spread it 3 ways?
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners? #12  
since it will work on 2 of my trucks.. I figured it might spread the cost.

heck. the flashpad I looked at simply says 'ford diesel 99-2013 '

i take it that would include my work truck f250 6.0

migth spread it 3 ways?

They usually are locked to one truck via the PCM serial number.

Even if you buy a new truck you have to pay apox 2/3 the cost of a new one to have it unlocked.

Chris
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners?
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#13  
They usually are locked to one truck via the PCM serial number.

Even if you buy a new truck you have to pay apox 2/3 the cost of a new one to have it unlocked.

Chris

the superchips flashpad ( specifically the flashpad ) says it is multi vin capable for GM and ford.

can only tune 1 at a time... but suposed to be multi vin.

anyone confirm this?
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners?
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#14  
flashpaq i guess it is called.
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners? #15  
Soundguy, if you want I will send you a superchips tuner that you can try if you like. It is not vin locked and has the program downloaded back in to it. You cannot use the programmer on multiple trucks it only works for 1 at a time. You also cannot use it with a 6.0 it is set up for 99.5 to 03 7.3's. DO NOT USE ANYTHING WITHOUT A PYRO GAUGE. This programmer was set up for my cal code of PMT2. I hands down prefer the chip VS a tuner. Been through 3 different tuners and Jody's programs have been the best so far and have been what I have stuck with. I had him burn me a heavy tow program that keeps the EGT's below 1350 when pulling a heavy load. I would not want to drive my truck stock, way more fun chipped. You will most likely have to look into a turbo back exhaust to use even a mild chip for heavy towing. Do not do anything with the intake unless you plan on upgrading the turbo. You will have surge issues. anyway hope this helps. CJ
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners? #16  
Oh, man does this thread bring back memories! I put a Hypertech chip in my '87 Camaro IROC-Z28 back in 1988. Back in those days, it was just a one setting chip, but it did help the sluggish acceleration. GM wouldn't put the bigger small block engine in, they didn't have a tranny to handle it (long since rectified), so I tried to open up the the 5.0L unbored small block (the old Chev 305 V8) with some nonstoich rich fueling. It helped, but not enough.

Anyway, I haven't bothered to tune anything since, but I find most of the stock tune chips look pretty good. I think the chips are less costly & have a good enough selection from what I see.

Enjoy, and thanks for the memories! :D
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners?
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#17  
my diesel gave ( LOANED :) )me a superchips flashpaq tuner to take home this weekend. It's their sales demo unit at the shop. It's the model he wants me to buy that he mentioned to me before. Also not vin locked, and can only program 1 vehicle at a time. I have the performance tune on my 99 450 at the moment. and yeah.. it has a pyrometer.

Checking it out now, but thanks for the offer.

Sounds like the chip offers more power.. but I like the idea of being able to go to an economy mode. ( though I do see some of you guys saying you have a multi option chip too... )

don't have the unit with me in the office.. it is setting in the front seat. but was red in color.. about the size of a wide cell phone..

Soundguy, if you want I will send you a superchips tuner that you can try if you like. It is not vin locked and has the program downloaded back in to it. You cannot use the programmer on multiple trucks it only works for 1 at a time. You also cannot use it with a 6.0 it is set up for 99.5 to 03 7.3's. DO NOT USE ANYTHING WITHOUT A PYRO GAUGE. This programmer was set up for my cal code of PMT2. I hands down prefer the chip VS a tuner. Been through 3 different tuners and Jody's programs have been the best so far and have been what I have stuck with. I had him burn me a heavy tow program that keeps the EGT's below 1350 when pulling a heavy load. I would not want to drive my truck stock, way more fun chipped. You will most likely have to look into a turbo back exhaust to use even a mild chip for heavy towing. Do not do anything with the intake unless you plan on upgrading the turbo. You will have surge issues. anyway hope this helps. CJ
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners?
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#18  
what do the chips run? i see what the tuners are running.. On the other hand. easy to untune 1 vehicle and walk over and tune another in 5 minutes. so that is a bit of a bonus if i keep this tuner style.
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners? #19  
There are really only three things you can alter in a diesel tune for performance. Timing, pressure and duration of the fueling events. With an electronic controlled engine, the potential is much higher and almost multiplies when some hard parts are added. Turbo back exhaust, fuel pump, cam, injectors turbo etc... (My memory is a little bit rusty on this and its cummins related so bare with me) I had stacked power adders. I had a TST performance chip stacked with an edge juice with attitude tuner. I had stock fueling so I really couldn't get the full benefit out of the combo but I had ALOT of adjustment with them. The TST chip had a selector knob that let you go from 0%-100% by twisting it. IIRC it was a pressure box. The edge juice modified the duration of the fueling events and let me set my transmission (auto vs standard) my alert points, and several other things that I can't remember off hand. I really liked just cracking them open a little bit each because it was hard to keep the temps down on a long hard pull. The pressure box was great for the low end and the tuner worked better on the top end.

Either way, if you have an auto, look out! They don't generally hold up well to performance tunes. Also, cooling becomes critical as well as making sure you have safe pyro temps. This should be inserted pre turbo for a better idea of what the motor is putting out and more importantly what the turbo is being subjected to. If you have a stock clutch, I'd be leery of running much more than a few hp over a stock tune. I ran a dual disk south bend clutch and never had an issue holding the power. (A mouse built a home in it one time and that smoked it one time). The chips are a lot milder than the tuners and there is not a possibility of your ecm code being destroyed.
 
   / chip that goes on pcm vs the programmer style tuners? #20  
My DP chip does seem to manipulate the shift points along with the HP bump. Being that it's a stock transmission, that's the reason why I only use the chip as needed. Mainly on longer, steeper hills or if I need to get through an intersection from a dead stop a little quicker. Once she's up and rolling, I flip back to stock. On flat areas for everyday driving, it stays in the stock position with or without the trailer hooked up. But the truck rarely leaves the driveway without the trailer.
I've never done any calculations, but it seems as though mileage goes down when the chip is in use. But the power goes up so I guess it makes sense.
 

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