Chevy Volt Halted. Who did not see this coming?

[two_bit_score]

If you are referring to my responses to this thread, I suggest that you get some glasses and read them again. Otherwise, you are wrong.

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[Rob-D]

What are you going to do If it's one of the Oil Company's actually perfects one of these Alternate fuel supplies??

First, My intertie panels came from a local power authority grant, they cost me ZERO PLUS the knowledge and ability to install them and save $4.50 a watt x 6kw. But let's look at what those panels do for me AND my community. I get no bill, everyone in the coop gets a reduced rate because my energy is sold and it goes right to the people of the coop. I did pay for my off grid system but it has already recouped its cost. The microhydro I'm building is done right here as are the windmills.
The panels I put up are not made in China, they are US made as are the inverters, MPPT chargers, etc.

Now, lets talk about corporate control. When you buy a gallon of gas you pay an exorbitant amount to Exxon Mobil, etc. It's not a windmill you built or bought and put in with a one time cost. It's not solar panels that you bought once and lasts 30 plus years paying you a dividend every time the sun shines. You have control over those panels. IF you keep buying fossil fuel, like you are, than you keep paying people, some who don't care for you one iota, a lot of money. That's difference between us. MY yearly energy costs are going down, yours are going up.
We ALL buy light bulbs and cars. The energy companies love you because you'll be paying for them the rest of your life.
Yes the corporations sell us cars, bulbs, etc. BUT you buy them too, again the difference is that I don't keep paying every time I go to the pump.
Now lets talk about corporations and energy. Let's say your local power company wants to put up a wind farm. The first thing they do is hike your rates for the 'environmental benefit' BUT they still keep charging you when those windmills produce energy. IF I put up a windmill I get the benefit. I'm not paying the corporate machine every month, you are. You can't bring into the debate buying things like light bulbs, we both do that. Light bulb aren't the problem, take a look at corporate lobby money. Energy, pharmaceuticals, etc., that's who owns us.

So now back to elecric cars. I'll charge one here for the ten year cost of the batteries which, since the technology is improving daily, will cost less in ten years, not more.

What will you be doing? Buying gas at the mercy of the oil companies and terrorists? How smart is that?
Rob

 

[two_bit_score]

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So now back to elecric cars. I'll charge one here for the ten year cost of the batteries which, since the technology is improving daily, will cost less in ten years, not more.

What will you be doing? Buying gas at the mercy of the oil companies and terrorists? How smart is that?
Rob

Rob, who are you at the mercy of with wind power?



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[IslandTractor]

No respect for forged documents.
Arizona sheriff finds Obama presidential qualifications forged - English pravda.ru

The house of cards is about to come tumbling down around Barack Obama's ears as the momentum of evidence builds. Law enforcement has found his birth documents to be "highly suspect" as a forgery. His draft card has similarly been found by law enforcement as being "highly suspect" as a forgery. The smoke screen cover created by his birth certificate, hiding Minor v. Happersett in a shadow of false mockery, has been blown away. Leaving the Supreme Court case alone on the stage, glaringly exposing Barack Obama as an usurper, an unconstitutional President of the United States.

It's so nice to know that we have our very own lunatic fringe representative right here on TBN. Saves us the hassle of searching for what happened to the birthers. And, you just have to love the fact that they are quoting Pravda.ru to back up their points. That is priceless!:laughing:

 

[Rob-D]

Rob

Well, you won't be going far in your electric car, that's for sure, horse might be better than an electric car. The government knows that freedom to travel is key to controlling you and you took the bait, hook line and sinker. I however will keeping being free from the grid in my diesel car, that's what cars are all about breaking free from your home and traveling, some people just don't understand. You want to live your life at the end of an extension cord that's fine for you, not me. Not sure you don't really understand who the lemming is.

HS

The few times I want to drive across the country I'll rent a car or fly. Most of my driving is well within a 25 to 30 mile radius. No cord required!

You drive a diesel? What, diesel fuel is free? Not the stuff I put in my tractor.
Diesel tractors don't make you "free of the grid". I don't even understand that reasoning. I'll bite, how does a diesel tractor free you from the monthly cost of the grid??

 

[powerpace]

I say the same thing about your innuendo and lack of factual references.



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So. It's come down to nya, nya, nya.

The point of a friendly debate is to present both sides of the factual arguement in a civil manner. Rhetoric and sensationalist speech have no place in debate.

I reference most everything.
The Chevy Volt has long been the Republican party痴 b黎e noir, symbolic, they reckon, of a profligate Obama government intent on wasting taxpayers money on subsidising electric vehicles for political reasons. This conveniently forgets that the Volt was championed by then GM Vice Chairman and arch Republican Bob Lutz, who kicked off the project in 2006.

That was also one year into Republican George W. Bush痴 second term as president and he didn稚 seem to have a problem with the Volt at the time. Or EVs in general.

In June 2008 President Bush said: "In the long run, the solution is to reduce demand for oil by promoting alternative energy technologies. My administration has worked with Congress to invest in gas-saving technologies like advanced batteries and hydrogen fuel cells.

President Obama to buy himself a Chevrolet Volt

 

[houstonscott]

The few times I want to drive across the country I'll rent a car or fly. Most of my driving is well within a 25 to 30 mile radius. No cord required!

You drive a diesel? What, diesel fuel is free? Not the stuff I put in my tractor.
Diesel tractors don't make you "free of the grid". I don't even understand that reasoning. I'll bite, how does a diesel tractor free you from the monthly cost of the grid??

Rob

I paid for my fuel and I bought your solar panels for you too. Your welcome.

HS

 

[Rob-D]

Rob, who are you at the mercy of with wind power?



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No one, I make my own wind mills and microhydro and next winter that will heat my house.

Rob

 

[Rob-D]

Rob

I paid for my fuel and I bought your solar panels for you too. Your welcome.

HS

How's that working out for you?

Rob

 

[powerpace]

No respect for forged documents.
Arizona sheriff finds Obama presidential qualifications forged - English pravda.ru

The house of cards is about to come tumbling down around Barack Obama's ears as the momentum of evidence builds. Law enforcement has found his birth documents to be "highly suspect" as a forgery. His draft card has similarly been found by law enforcement as being "highly suspect" as a forgery. The smoke screen cover created by his birth certificate, hiding Minor v. Happersett in a shadow of false mockery, has been blown away. Leaving the Supreme Court case alone on the stage, glaringly exposing Barack Obama as an usurper, an unconstitutional President of the United States.

It comes from PRAVDA, the Russian controlled state newspaper. The article is not badly written for a Senior enrolled in a online university.
Oh. This old news. Already disproven.
Sherriff Arpio is under investigation for violation of Civil Rights, again. Axe to grind, maybe.
The Justia foundation mentioned in the article has a disclaimer stating. "The Justia Federal District Court Filings & Dockets site republishes public litigation records retrieved from the US Federal District Courts. These filings and docket sheets should not be considered findings of fact or liability, and do not necessarily reflect the view of Justia."