Check your loader towers 270 TL

[Ford850]

I'm not sure how NH could have done more for you. You say the original design was flawed, and your dealer "welded braces on the inside I know it is stronger than the original my dealer's guys do great work there welds look better than factory". You're not happy with them making it stronger and better looking than original? You would rather get a replacement tower with the same flawed design? And you are commending a JD dealer for doing the same with their flawed design?
I have a similar loader and I did check mine for cracks. I would also be upset if they were cracked, but I would rather have a good reinforcment added than another tower that could crack in the future. Can you add pictures of the repair job, and maybe indicate where the larger crack was that your first photos didn't show? That would be helpful to the rest of us with those loaders.
Thanks. Mark

 

[Thumper & Buttercup]

Hey RADIUM,

I just checked our DX60, same towers but ours are ok.
Thanks for the heads up.

 

[RADIUM]

Ford 850 I'll try to explain I'm saying the design is flawed due to the fact both towers cracks on each side in the identical spot, with that being said whether it is a design flaw or just bad factory welds I think new Holland should've just replace them and see what happens they have pretty deep pockets the last time I checked considering no one else is complaining it must've just been bad welding and I don't need my dealer repairing my two-year-old tractor whether he does a good job or not it's just not acceptable, as far as John Deere I commend them because not only did they stand behind a piece of equipment three years old they stood behind their name that's why you spend this kind of money!! if I wanted to save money I could've bought a gray market tractor saved a ton of money and dealt with the outcome of cracked steel and cheap design not $39,600 that's just ridiculous, I'm just curious what you people think you have to spend in order to get a quality unit that will last my father's 45-year-old equipment is still running around this farm with no welds on any of the loaders!! the other cracks they are in the backside near the bolts into the bell housing the next time I take them off I will take pictures of them . Thumper that's good to hear that's really why I started this thread I wanted to see how many were actually breaking or it was just my bad luck as usual ;-) you'll probably never have a problem the way it should be that's all that I asked for when I made the payments and put a large amount of money down and now own this fine piece of junk just kidding of course I don't want to get everybody upset especially housemaster he probably thinks I'm going to just give it away not a chance in H!!! I work hard for my money and nothing in this world has ever been handed to me, I am a sub contractor by trade I know what it means to keep a customer satisfied it gets me the next job new Holland I'm not satisfied piss off . Take care

 

[MDT1110]

Looking at the pictures of the failed part, the weld did not fail the base material did.

Is this a design issue or use issue. I wasn't there I can say. It would be easy to jump to the conclusion that it is a operational use issue since the base material cracked, it is a bit harder to prove that it is a design flaw since it is not across the board. I have worked on a few pieces of machinery in my time and even big Cats break stuff, the welder is my best friend in repairing the machine.

The environment has alot to do with material strenght prpoerties as well.

My two cents.

 

[bman]

Radium,

You must have forgotten that you signed a legal document called a Warranty agreement when you bought your tractor/loader. The tractor has a two year warranty and the loader, towers, controls, have a one year warranty. New Holland is not OBLIGATED to do anything once those warranty terms have expired. However, I will tell you that attitude has a lot more to do with out of warranty assistance with ANY manufacturer than does a product issue. Why should NH help you if all you are going to do is badmouth them and threaten legal action or going to another manufacturer? There is no incentive at that point for anyone to offer you assistance. I would guess that the JD dealer's customer did not raise **** or make threats, and was genuinely appreciative of the assistance that he received. Clearly, you do not fall into that category.

On a side note, I have seen many manufacturers, including JD, CIH, Kubota, as well as shortline companies recommend welds to repair a failure. Those repairs are generally stronger, less expensive to complete, and much faster to complete rather than waiting on a "new" piece to arrive. I my experience, that is a completely acceptable resolution. Especially considering that your loader is more than a year out of warranty.

Also, please learn to type using punctuation. I've got a **** of a headache trying to make sense of your post. Regards.

 

[barbqranch]

I have to agree, my preference is to weld the old pieces. Of course, I would do that myself and that would be the end of it, but not everyone can do so. The potential problem with a new replacement item is that it might not fit the first time, companies have been known to make changes in the design without changing the part number, esp. if it is a small change. Not all parts are backwards compatible. I don't know if NH does this, I have seen it in other places.

 

[RADIUM]

bman you've got to be kidding me you're going to say that same BS that the rep told me one year five minutes and 2 seconds warranty after that it's your problem! Where is the craftsmanship pride in the company's name and respect for the customer have you watched some of the videos where NH claims that the loader is designed for heavy-duty use you've got to be kidding me picking up some rocks in a row laying on top of the earth is not heavy-duty. I consider myself a morally decent person who doesn't go out of his way to start fights or badmouth manufactures, it's simply a question of opinions, you have yours and I have mine. I will never accept any manufacturer telling me a cast part or solid steel has a one year warranty on something that should last 20 years, if I had ever known when I signed that contract that I would be dealing with a cracked loader frame two years into the ownership I would've stood up and told him to f!!! off and walk out the door laughing. Once again this post was starter for a simple reason to give people a heads up on the possibility of a manufacturers problem by the way new Holland is aware of this issue apparently I'm not the only one there are quite a few frames breaking. Instead of worrying about my punctuation why don't you put something constructive in like your experience of mechanical devices which I'm sure is quite impressive ;-). One more quick fact if you bother to read my post, oh yeah that's right my punctuation I have decided to sell the loader off and keep the tractor as a matter of fact this whole episode will be over by next Friday a local farmer is buying the loader he has a TC 48 . I will be purchasing a Westendorf 25 a and I'll say it again love the tractor hate the company ;-) deal with it It's just my opinion . And remember to check your towers maybe when a few more break people might be a little more upset when their $30,000 investment needs to be welded two years into ownership. I'll post some pictures and video today of the loader working perhaps you could tell me what I'm doing wrong. LOL take care

 

[daveinnh]

Radium:

Thanks for posting.

I bought a used Kubota - its been good, but looking to upgrade and was looking at a NH (heavier) or Case - until your thread.

Agree that that NH should have made good - $40k is not economy unless your name is Warren Buffet or Bill Gates.

Dave

 

[RADIUM]

You're welcome Dave, but do me a favor, don't completely discard new Holland. It's an excellent tractor and a good loader. I'm still leaning towards bad factory welds, and as you can see no one else is chiming in with complaints on their towers. I guess in the end, what you need to do discuss it with your dealer and see how they react to the question of just such circumstances believe me The next tractor for the land, regardless of what dealership I will be asking that very question, What if something happens catastrophic to the castings or loader? what is the manufacturers response within reason I don't expect any manufacture too give me a lifetime warranty, But two years I didn't think I was out of line, requesting two new towers for my sizable investment. I consider welding Only chases the problem to the next weakest link that's why I'm selling this loader and going after market with the manufacturers design that also uses the front of the tractor to handle some of the stress rather than just the two Towers, I'm planning a lot of heavy work for this little unit and I'll just never trust this loader once again just my opinion. With all that being said, the tractor itself is very strong for its size. I think you'll have a hard time finding anything that compares take care

 

[billfires]

Radium, have you looked into whether NY has a "fitness of merchantability statue" under the consumer protection laws? I know Mass has one and I believe that it basicly states that an item should be able to perform the tasks for which it was designed. The manufacturers warranty can not supercede it. Also if welding repairs are acceptable then why do they affect trade in values, even if they are manufacturer approved? I would also be very upset if this happened to me on a 2 year old machine. Bill C