Can't find a house plan

   / Can't find a house plan #61  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Alan,

Just went through this (still going) on our farm house "renovation". Since we kept parts of the house, we figured out our layout and went to a draftsperson, They in turn gave us scale drawings that a structual engineer looked at, design loads to, and stamped "seal". We then found a general contractir to build it out. The "stamp" from the SE made the county happy.

We paid a good price for the plans and SE. I think we did better than picking, since it was our own design, and we could work with all the people involved.

Good luck, very exciting times, building a house.
-Mike Z.
 
   / Can't find a house plan #62  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Alan,

Just went through this (still going) on our farm house "renovation". Since we kept parts of the house, we figured out our layout and went to a draftsperson, They in turn gave us scale drawings that a structual engineer looked at, design loads to, and stamped "seal". We then found a general contractir to build it out. The "stamp" from the SE made the county happy.

We paid a good price for the plans and SE. I think we did better than picking, since it was our own design, and we could work with all the people involved.

Good luck, very exciting times, building a house.
-Mike Z.
 
   / Can't find a house plan #63  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Alan,

Another good source for plans on rectangular shaped buildings are double wide trailers. They usually have very open floor plans with allot of thought them.

I've gone to the dealers and to walk through them for ideas more than once. I also do repairs on moble homes and I'm always amazed at how quickly they fall apart and in the materials used.

But for allot of ideas, you really can't beat what they have already come up with!!!

Eddie
 
   / Can't find a house plan #64  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Alan,

Another good source for plans on rectangular shaped buildings are double wide trailers. They usually have very open floor plans with allot of thought them.

I've gone to the dealers and to walk through them for ideas more than once. I also do repairs on moble homes and I'm always amazed at how quickly they fall apart and in the materials used.

But for allot of ideas, you really can't beat what they have already come up with!!!

Eddie
 
   / Can't find a house plan #65  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Alan,

Many thanks for the sketch, i'm sure it will help everyone try and see your vision. Couple questions. Is that a two car or 3 car garage? Next, why don't you jsut make it 2 storey over the footprint of the kitchen dining room? You have the loft starting in the middle of the dining room, now I know you msut have a vision for this but I'm hard pressed to see it. Can you please elaborate? On the second floor I'm see where you will put in a railing on the wall towards the living room to give the loft concept.

Once you select the person to draw up the plans see if he can't make the stairs so that there is a midway point in the stairs with a landing. We had this in our last hosue, you went up about 5 stairs, hit the landing, turned right then went up another 5 or 6 stairs. That landing in the middle gives the user a little rest and makes going up to the second floor not quite as tiring as a straight shot jsut going up.

Another idea would be to design the mechanicals so that i the future if you wanted to enclose that back covered porch into an enclosed regualr room you will have venting etc. shunted out there but capped off. I know I'm not saying it right but you get the idea. Also a sink in that back covered porch might be nice. I can see the porch having nice plants in it and having a garden sink might be nice to have back there. Jsut an idea. Not hat you ahve to put in the sink now but at least have the rough work done so that if and when you would eer want to you could add that. I'm assuming the smaller porch is the front of the house, right?

Must just be you and the missus, right? Or in this enlightened age, it might be jsut you and your partner. Suggest a pocket door between the dining room and the mud room. Also it is really nice to use pocket door for all closets. Saves a lot of space and allows for better furniture placement.

On the garage, will you make it 2 story? Give you a lot of storage space if it was 2 story, or atl east taller than 1 story. If oyu build 2 story garage you can add an entrace not only form the garage but also form the second floor. Instead of using ceiling joists in the garage could use floor joists and some day you ahve room for expansion. Also if you ever want to sell the house you could finish that off and sell it as a 3 bedroom house instead of a 2 bedroom.

Upstairs bath would be handy to have it placed between the bedroom ad the "study" loft and have pocket doors on each side for access form either living area into the bath. Saves on useless corridor space.

do like a nice drywalled garage. If you have a dry walled garage you can actualy ahve parties in there. A dry walled garage jsut makes the garage brighter and cleaner. Don't knwo the cost but perhaps you can consider it.

Are you hating all my suggestions, should I jsut be quiet as you already knwo what you want and I'm only butting in? Jsut say the word and I'll jsut offer you feedback on your plans.

I'm sjtu kind fo surprised that you can't sraw this out in a computer program an architect program. I will agree with you it looks like a pretty simple straight forward plan.
 
   / Can't find a house plan #66  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Alan,

Many thanks for the sketch, i'm sure it will help everyone try and see your vision. Couple questions. Is that a two car or 3 car garage? Next, why don't you jsut make it 2 storey over the footprint of the kitchen dining room? You have the loft starting in the middle of the dining room, now I know you msut have a vision for this but I'm hard pressed to see it. Can you please elaborate? On the second floor I'm see where you will put in a railing on the wall towards the living room to give the loft concept.

Once you select the person to draw up the plans see if he can't make the stairs so that there is a midway point in the stairs with a landing. We had this in our last hosue, you went up about 5 stairs, hit the landing, turned right then went up another 5 or 6 stairs. That landing in the middle gives the user a little rest and makes going up to the second floor not quite as tiring as a straight shot jsut going up.

Another idea would be to design the mechanicals so that i the future if you wanted to enclose that back covered porch into an enclosed regualr room you will have venting etc. shunted out there but capped off. I know I'm not saying it right but you get the idea. Also a sink in that back covered porch might be nice. I can see the porch having nice plants in it and having a garden sink might be nice to have back there. Jsut an idea. Not hat you ahve to put in the sink now but at least have the rough work done so that if and when you would eer want to you could add that. I'm assuming the smaller porch is the front of the house, right?

Must just be you and the missus, right? Or in this enlightened age, it might be jsut you and your partner. Suggest a pocket door between the dining room and the mud room. Also it is really nice to use pocket door for all closets. Saves a lot of space and allows for better furniture placement.

On the garage, will you make it 2 story? Give you a lot of storage space if it was 2 story, or atl east taller than 1 story. If oyu build 2 story garage you can add an entrace not only form the garage but also form the second floor. Instead of using ceiling joists in the garage could use floor joists and some day you ahve room for expansion. Also if you ever want to sell the house you could finish that off and sell it as a 3 bedroom house instead of a 2 bedroom.

Upstairs bath would be handy to have it placed between the bedroom ad the "study" loft and have pocket doors on each side for access form either living area into the bath. Saves on useless corridor space.

do like a nice drywalled garage. If you have a dry walled garage you can actualy ahve parties in there. A dry walled garage jsut makes the garage brighter and cleaner. Don't knwo the cost but perhaps you can consider it.

Are you hating all my suggestions, should I jsut be quiet as you already knwo what you want and I'm only butting in? Jsut say the word and I'll jsut offer you feedback on your plans.

I'm sjtu kind fo surprised that you can't sraw this out in a computer program an architect program. I will agree with you it looks like a pretty simple straight forward plan.
 
   / Can't find a house plan #67  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Looks like a straightforward project.
I'm not familair with your area or even how this is oriented on the site ie:
which way is north, wind direction, views, slope of the land etc.
A little quick input:
It saves alittle waste and goes up a little quicker if you keep overall dimensions in four feet or at least 2 foot intervals.
try to stack the loft bathroom over the 1/2 bath below.
I would discourage the use of pocket doors - they don;'t work after awhie - if you must then get heavy duty hardware.
Where is the entry door> at the mud room?. The mud room seem a bit long and narrow. If that is the entry perhaps you could recess the front making a covered entry and make it wider so it could be a real room if the purpose changes years down the road - it would still be about the same sq ftg but more flexible, usable.
The master bedroom/bath appears to open directly into the living room.
a wrap arounf porch would allow for more shaded windows and add a lot of charm, usable outdoor space and reduce any two story shoebox feel to the structure. And a wrap around oopen on three sides porch is the cheapest useable space you can get. Perhaps you could phase this in but I find the later phases often never happen. Life gets in the way.
The kitchen only gets light fom one side. This is the room most used. Consider sliding it out a little to get some windows on the side walls. The room areas seem adequate but I have never seen a kitchen I considered to small. What are you planning there. Perhaps counters along the left, top and right walls, an island at the kitchen/dining common wall? About all you could fit is a 4x6 island hate to see less than 4' between island and counters.
Once you have finished plans consider sending them to get factory built. They will build your house inside on flat square tables then ship it to you in eight foot sections, you crane them into place - this goes up VERY fast.
The place I am talking to is in Canada - they mill about a million board feet a year and the price is very very competitive. They recently completed a large complex custom home for a friend of mine.
More later - gotta get back to work
 
   / Can't find a house plan #68  
Re: Can\'t find a house plan

Looks like a straightforward project.
I'm not familair with your area or even how this is oriented on the site ie:
which way is north, wind direction, views, slope of the land etc.
A little quick input:
It saves alittle waste and goes up a little quicker if you keep overall dimensions in four feet or at least 2 foot intervals.
try to stack the loft bathroom over the 1/2 bath below.
I would discourage the use of pocket doors - they don;'t work after awhie - if you must then get heavy duty hardware.
Where is the entry door> at the mud room?. The mud room seem a bit long and narrow. If that is the entry perhaps you could recess the front making a covered entry and make it wider so it could be a real room if the purpose changes years down the road - it would still be about the same sq ftg but more flexible, usable.
The master bedroom/bath appears to open directly into the living room.
a wrap arounf porch would allow for more shaded windows and add a lot of charm, usable outdoor space and reduce any two story shoebox feel to the structure. And a wrap around oopen on three sides porch is the cheapest useable space you can get. Perhaps you could phase this in but I find the later phases often never happen. Life gets in the way.
The kitchen only gets light fom one side. This is the room most used. Consider sliding it out a little to get some windows on the side walls. The room areas seem adequate but I have never seen a kitchen I considered to small. What are you planning there. Perhaps counters along the left, top and right walls, an island at the kitchen/dining common wall? About all you could fit is a 4x6 island hate to see less than 4' between island and counters.
Once you have finished plans consider sending them to get factory built. They will build your house inside on flat square tables then ship it to you in eight foot sections, you crane them into place - this goes up VERY fast.
The place I am talking to is in Canada - they mill about a million board feet a year and the price is very very competitive. They recently completed a large complex custom home for a friend of mine.
More later - gotta get back to work
 
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Re: Can\'t find a house plan

We have a meeting set up next week with a draftsman/designer husband/wife team here in the area. They have done 1400 custom designs in 30 years, and the cost will only be about $1000 for the drawings.

Lack of doors and windows on the sketch makes some of it confusing. The master bedroom opens into the living room, but the master bath on the back only opens to the bedroom.

We didn't want a true 2-story looking house, but rather a loft area withing the normal roof area. The reason the upstairs area is smaller is that on a 12/12 roof the ceiling won't be 6 feet tall until you come in 6 feet from the outside wall. Thus you lose 6 feet on the front of the house and the back of the house.

The bottom of the picture is the front, thats northwest. To the right is southwest, which is where most of the sun comes from in the summer.

Since I drew the plan we decided the kitchen would be better on the front and the dining room on the back. It will be U-shaped with the opening toward the back (dining area). We have tried to draw the kitchen cabinets in the area provide and its a tight squeeze. Instead of an Island we might use a short diagonally set 4th side to the cabinets, and it will contain a second sink. The kitchen might be too small so could require some work. As for light in the kitchen, above the sink will be a 4 foot wide Anderson casement window, the rest of the walls would be taken up by cabinets.

The mud room is skinny. The walls will have to come out of the other rooms to net the full 8 feet. This gives us useful space on both sides. The front few feet of the "mud room" is actually a bathroom with shower & toilet. So you can take a shower if you come in too dirty to walk through the house. Be we want washer, dryer, freezer, fridge, counter top with sink, ironing board, and lots of shelving. Probably even the hot water heater will go in there. The doors would be lined up from the garage near the front straight through into the kitchen or dining room. Pocket doors sound like a good idea, but I'm not sure about permanently sealing the hardware inside the wall.

We have an absolute budget and we can't go over that. This means when you add something you have to take something away. The garage will have the same 12/12 roof for a short distance, so will give the roofline a little break. There will be some room in its attic, but we might have to put 2 HVAC units up there, as there is hardly any attic anywhere else.

I think the stairs will have to have a landing, in order to have them arrive at the proper place upstairs. We plan to put the upstairs bath on top of some plumbing downstairs if it can come out that way.

Its just my wife and I, but the biggest reason for building a house is that when my daughter, son-in-law and 3 grandchildren show up, and my son and his wife (and soon to be 4th grandchild) show up, we don't have any room in our current 879 feet in the metal building.

The reason it is design with 2 bedrooms PLUS a loft (which can be consider the 3rd bedroom if it has a closet), is that we want BIG rooms, not MANY rooms. Our current living quarters will be 50 feet from the house, as guest house it will be, and it has 2 bedrooms. So when we have company we will have 4 to 5 bedrooms plus hide-a-beds in both houses.

I like OSB on the garage walls, so that I can hang stuff on the walls without worrying about studs. The garage will be fully insulated but I doubt we will be throwing any parties there. We have thrown parties in our shop building which is considerably bigger.

Rox, I have drawn this in Punch! software but it is such sorry software you can't do the roof correctly. Dormers are very difficult and the shed pitches for the porches are impossible.

I think my wife would like the idea of the sink on the back porch. She is the one that loves flowers and such.

Thanks for all the input, thats why I posted. I realize this drawing is (I hope) not where we will end up. There shold be much more efficient/attractive ways to get it done. I hope the guys that have designed 1400 homes can help.
 
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Re: Can\'t find a house plan

We have a meeting set up next week with a draftsman/designer husband/wife team here in the area. They have done 1400 custom designs in 30 years, and the cost will only be about $1000 for the drawings.

Lack of doors and windows on the sketch makes some of it confusing. The master bedroom opens into the living room, but the master bath on the back only opens to the bedroom.

We didn't want a true 2-story looking house, but rather a loft area withing the normal roof area. The reason the upstairs area is smaller is that on a 12/12 roof the ceiling won't be 6 feet tall until you come in 6 feet from the outside wall. Thus you lose 6 feet on the front of the house and the back of the house.

The bottom of the picture is the front, thats northwest. To the right is southwest, which is where most of the sun comes from in the summer.

Since I drew the plan we decided the kitchen would be better on the front and the dining room on the back. It will be U-shaped with the opening toward the back (dining area). We have tried to draw the kitchen cabinets in the area provide and its a tight squeeze. Instead of an Island we might use a short diagonally set 4th side to the cabinets, and it will contain a second sink. The kitchen might be too small so could require some work. As for light in the kitchen, above the sink will be a 4 foot wide Anderson casement window, the rest of the walls would be taken up by cabinets.

The mud room is skinny. The walls will have to come out of the other rooms to net the full 8 feet. This gives us useful space on both sides. The front few feet of the "mud room" is actually a bathroom with shower & toilet. So you can take a shower if you come in too dirty to walk through the house. Be we want washer, dryer, freezer, fridge, counter top with sink, ironing board, and lots of shelving. Probably even the hot water heater will go in there. The doors would be lined up from the garage near the front straight through into the kitchen or dining room. Pocket doors sound like a good idea, but I'm not sure about permanently sealing the hardware inside the wall.

We have an absolute budget and we can't go over that. This means when you add something you have to take something away. The garage will have the same 12/12 roof for a short distance, so will give the roofline a little break. There will be some room in its attic, but we might have to put 2 HVAC units up there, as there is hardly any attic anywhere else.

I think the stairs will have to have a landing, in order to have them arrive at the proper place upstairs. We plan to put the upstairs bath on top of some plumbing downstairs if it can come out that way.

Its just my wife and I, but the biggest reason for building a house is that when my daughter, son-in-law and 3 grandchildren show up, and my son and his wife (and soon to be 4th grandchild) show up, we don't have any room in our current 879 feet in the metal building.

The reason it is design with 2 bedrooms PLUS a loft (which can be consider the 3rd bedroom if it has a closet), is that we want BIG rooms, not MANY rooms. Our current living quarters will be 50 feet from the house, as guest house it will be, and it has 2 bedrooms. So when we have company we will have 4 to 5 bedrooms plus hide-a-beds in both houses.

I like OSB on the garage walls, so that I can hang stuff on the walls without worrying about studs. The garage will be fully insulated but I doubt we will be throwing any parties there. We have thrown parties in our shop building which is considerably bigger.

Rox, I have drawn this in Punch! software but it is such sorry software you can't do the roof correctly. Dormers are very difficult and the shed pitches for the porches are impossible.

I think my wife would like the idea of the sink on the back porch. She is the one that loves flowers and such.

Thanks for all the input, thats why I posted. I realize this drawing is (I hope) not where we will end up. There shold be much more efficient/attractive ways to get it done. I hope the guys that have designed 1400 homes can help.
 

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