Cannons, fireworks, experiments, projects

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patrickg

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Hey, seems like there was a lot more folks out there with experience in things related to cannons, fireworks, and other dangerous and LOUD home made activities than I thought. So lets trade some stories. I can't say much about the carbide cannons except I drooled a lot over the advertisements on the back of comic books but didn't have the bucks.

I did get into home brew rocketry (either pre-Estes or ignorant of Estes). I/we (sometimes I had partners) made our own rocket fuel. In grade school I learned from some others that if you screwed a large diameter bolt just a little bit into a nut, filled up the rest of the cavity with match heads and "carefully" screwed a bolt in the other side of the nut and held it with pliers and slamed it down on the road that it would explode and shoot the top bolt (not screwed in as far) quite a ways into the air. A lot dumber than just droping a fire cracker down a pipe fence post and slaming a tin can down as a lid and watching it get shot up into the air or blow the end out of the can if the fire cracker was a cherry bomb but Iwas in civilized Ohio and fireworks were harder to come by in contrast to Oklahoma where they were sold over the counter in the five and dime (Ben Franklin sotre) to anyone who put their money down.

If you roll up an 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheet of paper around a wooden pencil and secure it with a little glue then glue the broken off sharpened end of the pencil sticking out the one end (nose cone) and then fashion a nozzle out of some of the rest of the pencil, you can make a rocket. The nozzle is made out of about an inch of the body of the wooden pencil. Split it on the glue line and remove the lead (graphite-clay) and carve a converging cone and diverging cone shape in each half. Fill the rocket body with a mixture composed of potassium nitrate and confectioners sugar. First mix some at 50/50 and burn a bit of it. If the residue is mostly black ash, you need more oxidizer (salt peter AKA potassium nitrate). If however the residue has little or no black ash and a lot of little hard globules possibly pink, green, or grey then you have too much salt peter. If you have both indications then you didn't mix it up good enough. ALWAYS use non sparking tools and never use a mortar and pestle on the mixture as the heat can set it off. Fill up the rocket a little at a time with a little tamping and put a little glue on the nozzle and shove it in the end of the rocket.

We used to use home made fuse to light them but the insulated wire Estes brand igniters are safer and more reliable. Home brew fuse was cotton string soaked in a saturated solution of salt peter and dried. Oh yeah, glue a couple say, 3.8 inch ID paper rings on the ends of the rocket. To launch, stick a dowel or somethng small, slick, and straight into the ground vertically (say 2 ft or more sticking out of ground). slip the rocket by its rings onto the rail. For safety sake you try to not be there when it ignites. Successful launches can go a couple hundred feet into the air. Failures might fizzle and burn up on the pad or explode or go out of control fly in any direction and then explode.

Later after one of the local MD's with a wood working shop gave us access we made hardwood nozzles and nosecones on a lathe and used seamless aluminum tubing 1/2-3/4 inch for bodies. Dartlike fins were added for aerodynamic stability mindless to the leathal possibilities. Electrick ignition via an old Ford model "T" spark coil was added for safety. A utility trailer with sideboards became the blockhouse with viewing through a narrow slit between sideboards.

My L A S T launch from my backyard got off good but fizzled at about 100 ft, coasted to a stop turned and fell straight down. It didn't quite "go out" and got going again at full thrust. It burried into our soft well cultivated garden and exploded with just a dull whomp and smoke came up out of the ground in a 3ft diameter circle. I figured, no harm, no foul but hadn't seen the neighbor lady putting out her wash next door, nor contemplated the result of her highly animated report to my folks. Phrases like, I wouldn't be surprised to hear an explosion and see the roof of your house sailing by, etc. etc.) Already my inhouse chem experiments had resulted in a father and son shed buillding project at the extreme rear of the lot. All my aparatus, experiments in progress, and supplies electrical, chemical, or biological were moved out into my "lab". This rocket launch was the L A S T from our in-town lot. I had to go 2 1/2 blocks to the school playground and another couple hundred feet to its edge and shoot out over an empty field. Werner Von Braun never suffered these indignities!

I want to hear about Y O U R exploits and then if there is interest, I could dredge up some more experiences.

Patrick
 
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Estes rockets were the rage among my friends. My older brother let me tag along to the very first "moon shot" in our neighborhood and I was hooked after that.

This was in the early-mid 70s when the space program was a big topic in science classrooms. My brother's friend wanted to do a report on the side effects from space flight, so he taped earthworms to the side of the rocket and then "observed" them afterwards. Not being satisfied with earthworms we graduated to toads and then his dad bought him a rocket that could carry a payload and we lauched a little field mouse. That mouse had more launches than John Glenn!

The effects of space flight? Earthworms and toads would lay motionless afterwards for about 2 minutes before they would recover. The mouse didn't seem to suffer any side affects at all. Sadly, he died when we had a 'chute failure later that year.

Aw the memories from a simpler time in life.
 
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I enjoyed your story patrickg. I also used to have much fun with pyrotechnics, but not rocketry. Seems such a shame that the thought police dont like the notion of kids and pyrotechnics these days. Another good reason for rural living I guess - less people inclined to be minding your business for you.
 
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Please excuse the rather crude drawing I have attached. It is a match launcher. It's made out of 2 wooden clothes pegs. Very useful if you want to light a bonfire that has been heavily doused with gasoline. I have achieved launch distances of up to 20' by varying the position of the slot marked "extra cut." Cock it with the left over clothes peg half and load a wooden "safety match" (the kind with the blue and red tip) into the "upper deck" just ahead of the trigger spring. The time that is spent flying through the air is during the flare up of the match - so it won't blow out. Next time someone asks you for a light you can give them more than they bargained for /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif.

Another favourite when I was a kid (I mentioned this in another thread somewhere) was the Coke can bazooka. Back when Coke cans were made of steel, we would cut half of the top off of a can. Cut the matching half out of the bottom of another can and tape them one on top of the other. Cut the opposite half of the top of this last can. Take another can and cut the matching half out of the bottom of it and tape it to the top of the assembly. Continue until you have have five cans taped together. For extra safety /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif, tape a piece of flat bar to the whole assembly, with about 6" protruding from the bottom and jam it into the ground. Make a 3/8" to 1/2" hole in the side of the bottom can right at the bottom. Squirt about an ounce or two of gas down the top (muzzle) of the unit. Squirt a little into the hole in the side and make about a 5' trail on the ground. Jam a tennis ball in the top. Light the gas trail. BOOM - bye bye tennis ball. Make sure to retape when necessary.
 

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My uncle and I, he was only 5 months older than I, used to mess around with a homemade cannon. We were about 11 or 12 and he figured out how to make black powder. He did it using the usual ingredients as you mentioned in your post. We used a piece of steel pipe about 12-16" long 3/4", capped one end, drilled a hole on top near the capped end and mounted it to a 2x4 and nailed another 2x4 behind it to keep it steady when firing. We loaded with the powder, stuffed in some wadding, ran a trail of gun powder along the top of the pipe to the hole we drilled. We then lodged the contraption next to the bank of a huge lake he lived on, lit the powder fuse and ran like he!!. The powder would burn along the top of the the pipe then down the drilled hole to the packed powder and wadding, there was this sucking sound for a split second and then WAABOOM! It sounded like dynamite or something, it was many times louder than a higher powered rifle, more along the boom of a large firework. The thing would echo across the lake, it was incredible.

I must admit though, I don't know if I would let my kids do that. I know we were very, very cautious and new full well the potential problems with dealing with that stuff, but boy was it fun!!! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

BTW, my uncle is real big into rockets to this day!
 
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I'LL make this a group response:

Tx_Sam, pbenven, Old Wanker, Pit Bull Midwest,

Great stuff guys, I feel more and more normal when I hear these things. I was almost an isolated "case" most times I did stuff like this, maybe 1 partner in crime but no group.

After my volunteer enlistment during Viet Nam war I sent back to college. That is the first time I used store bought. i.e. Estes Engineering rocket motors and bought kit model rockets. Of course I stripped a lot of fins off from aerodynamic pressure of usually trying to use a larger than standard rocket motor. I did like the Estes ignition method better than lighting a fuse or rigging up a spark coil. At one time in Jr. High a friend and I used empty CO2 bottles, the little ones for, pellet guns, models, and seltzer botles as rocket engines. Pretty dangerous stuff, lots of steel schrapnel if it goes bang. As we all know the best home brew rocket motor is the rocket motor that comes the closest to blowing up from over pressure but doesn't quite. This gives max thrust, more or less. I have even "repacked" fireworks rocket motors back in Jr. high.

The confectioners sugar and salt peter fuel (oh, I forgot to mention you use a mortar and pestle to grind the salt peter to a fine powder like the sugar but I repeat DO NOT GRIND ON THE MIXTURE). Anyway the next step up the progression before using more exotic ingredients was to CAREFULLY use an electric skillet to melt the sugar and salt peter together. This is an inherently dangerous act. You stir carefully using a non sparking tool like a big hi melting temp plastic spoon. Meanwhile the rocket motor casing is in the oven heating. When the fuel is ready you pour it into the heated casing and let it cool slowly to avoid cracks. Cracks in the cast fuel leads to spectacular failures in the form of explosions and scattered schrapnel from the rocket motor casing. We thought of but didn't try casting the fuel in paper forms to just fit into the motor body but it would have been a logical improvement.

Exotic additives and other fuel mixes like sulphur and potassium perchlorate and on and on. Very dangerous business. Lucky to have all my appendages, eyes, ears, and like that. A kid in a nearby town was making nitro-glycerine (been there done that and lived) putting it into small vials and throwing them for effect. One went off in his hand when he cocked his throwig arm back. Got his ear, eardrum, and mangled his hand a mite. My parents never ceased reminding me abut that incident.

Also about in 5th grade I made a smoothbore long gun (well you can't call it a rifle can you?) out of galvanized pipe and charged it with black cat firecrackers. It shot a standard marble pretty well. Later as an adult I bought a smooth bore .75 cal muzzle loading flintlock pistol. I got a Lyman single cavity mold to make 0.748 round balls. I used to use my Unimat metal lathe to make miniature working black powder cannons in about .22 cal and made round balls out of solder using home brew aluminum molds, so having the .748 mold it was no stretch of the imagination to guess what size cannon and mortar I made. So was all this compensation for wanting and never having a carbide cannon?

By the way you can make a rocket out of a safety match. They go from 0 to 15 ft depending on skill and luck. When I was a physics major a couple friends and I used to eat lunch together and "duel" with some engineering majors with these rockets. Your tax dollars at work, I was on the Viet Nam era GI bill.

If there is interest, I will post plans for the match rocket.

Patrick
 
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Old Wanker, Are you a Brit? Wanker is in the British idiom but I shan't go into details, here. I used to make my own fireworks in 6th, 7th, and 8th grade.

Patrick
 
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patrickg,

Yes - I am a Brit - but an expatriate one. I have many happy memories of taking apart November 5th (Guy Fawkes) fireworks and assembling them into more interesting pyrotechnic devices as a kid. Crow-scarers that were available year round from the local farmer supply shop were also a favourite.
 
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We (me and some high school buddies) made a bazooka once. Used a large cardboard tube, like the kind linolium is rolled up on, a taped up paper towel tube, and some Estes rocket engines. Put the igniter on top of the large tube, would load the rocket from the rear. Put a small charge of black powder in the nose of the paper towel tube, it would ignite from the parachute charge in the rocket engine. It wasn't very accurate, but looked cool launching and made a nice boom down range.

Our latest experiments have been with pototato guns.
 
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We once tried putting rocket engines under the wings of a line control model plane, but intended it for free flight. We were convinced that we needed a multi engine design due to the weight of the plane, this turned out to be a mistake. We then decided we needed to get it off the ground quickly so we set the launch ramp to about a 60 degree angle, another mistake.

We rigged the starters and pressed the button. Of course 12 year old boys don't think of things like one engine igniting before the other and the plane leaped off the pad in a corkscrew pattern as the other engine lit. It settled into a horizontal pinwheel flightpath headed of course right back at us. We scattered but one of my friends was hit by it and received a pretty good wound on his arm

When I got home I found out that the neighborhood busybody had all ready called my folks about the serious wound I had inflicted on my friend and demanded that I stop playing with fireworks before I hurt anyone else. Well, Pop asked me to give rocketry a rest for a while and I agreed. For the rest of the summer the busybody had to listen to the sound of my Cox .049 Blackwidow screaming at full throttle. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 

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