California Drought

[hawkeye08]

Dam operators know about the effects of shutting of spillways, it is not a new effect. At Grand Coulee dam in Washington, they have hundreds of monitors in banks downstream so they can determine how fast the water drains out of the banks when they reduce flow. If they suddenly stop a large flow over the spillway, the banks would collapse.

I don't think there was a reason to shut the flow off suddenly, they should have tapered it off so as to allow the water to drain out of the saturated banks as they slowed it..

Yes, I can armchair quarterback just like the rest of the onlookers....

 

[ultrarunner]

I don't know what percentage is female where you live, or where I live, but I do believe that a lot of women become homeless when leaving an abusive relationship. Most of the time it's temporary and they get back on their feet in a few months or so, but they are still counted as homeless. Kind of how the government counts part time jobs the same as full time jobs to achieve a better statistic.

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There is an interesting twitch to this here in that there are shelters to accommodate women and women with children and placement for minors... there is not a single Shelter in this jurisdiction for men... the PD says they have no where to take them except to jail or county hospital...

 

[orezok]

Its about 11% in this study.
https://www.hudexchange.info/resources/documents/2015-AHAR-Part-1.pdf

About 7% of the U.S. population is made up of veterans. So the percentage of veterans that are homeless closely corresponds to the percentage of veterans in the population. It is slightly higher, but not by much. Its still a tragedy, of course, that anyone in the U.S. is homeless.

It would seem that the Department of Veteran Affairs would disagree with your numbers.

The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) says the nation's homeless veterans are mostly males (four percent are females). The vast majority is single, most come from poor, disadvantaged communities, 45 percent suffer from mental illness, and half have substance abuse problems. America痴 homeless veterans have served in World War II, Korean War, Cold War, Vietnam War, Grenada, Panama, Lebanon, Operation Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan), Operation Iraqi Freedom, or the military痴 anti-drug cultivation efforts in South America. 47 per cent of homeless veterans served during the Vietnam Era. More than 67 per cent served our country for at least three years and 33 per cent were stationed in a war zone.

Here are some statistics concerning the veterans homeless [2]:

23% of homeless population are veterans
33% of male homeless population are veterans
47% Vietnam Era
17% post-Vietnam
15% pre-Vietnam
67% served three or more years
33% stationed in war zone
25% have used VA Homeless Services
85% completed high school/GED, compared to 56% of non-veterans
89% received Honorable Discharge
79% reside in central cities
16% reside in suburban areas
5% reside in rural areas
76% experience alcohol, drug, or mental health problems
46% white males compared to 34% non-veterans
46% age 45 or older compared to 20% non-veterans

Female homeless veterans represent an estimated 3% of homeless veterans. They are more likely than male homeless veterans to be married and to suffer serious psychiatric illness, but less likely to be employed and to suffer from addiction disorders. Comparisons of homeless female veterans and other homeless women have found no differences in rates of mental illness or addictions.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

It would seem that the Department of Veteran Affairs would disagree with your numbers.

The VA isn't known for truth telling, especially when it comes to numbers that can affect their funding. I would not trust anything coming from that cesspool of self-serving mendacity.

I don't know what the actual numbers are, but I do know that quoting the VA on it is like quoting Hillary Clinton on secure email servers.

 

[ForestGrump]

I don't know what the actual numbers are, but I do know that quoting the VA on it is like quoting Hillary Clinton on secure email servers.

You should have stayed in school!

 

[California]

The VA ... cesspool of self-serving mendacity... like quoting Hillary Clinton on secure email servers.

Like the one in Trump Tower that was connected to Russia?

Hey guys that stuff belongs in 'Friendly' Politics. Let's talk about the drought in this thread, and for the present moment, the contra-drought focused at Oroville.

 

[EddieWalker]

The VA isn't known for truth telling, especially when it comes to numbers that can affect their funding. I would not trust anything coming from that cesspool of self-serving mendacity.

I don't know what the actual numbers are, but I do know that quoting the VA on it is like quoting Hillary Clinton on secure email servers.

Sadly, the people in charge the VA figured out that instead of actually providing care, they just have to make it up to get their bonuses. I don't trust anything that they say either!!!!

 

[EddieWalker]

Like the one in Trump Tower that was connected to Russia?

Hey guys that stuff belongs in 'Friendly' Politics. Let's talk about the drought in this thread, and for the present moment, the contra-drought focused at Oroville.

Thought they said that they didn't find anything on Trumps server, but kept on listening illegally just to make sure?

 

[orezok]

...and how many of you have actually has service from the VA. I thought not.

 

[California]

Thought they said that they didn't find anything on Trumps server, but kept on listening illegally just to make sure?

1) Wait and see ... 2) I don't think anyone credible has said illegal.

 

[Egon]

Throw out some juicy irrelevant facts/gossip and keep the attention from focusing on what the other hand is doing. Is that what it's all about???

The Drought & Spillway topic??

 

[turnkey4099]

Throw out some juicy irrelevant facts/gossip and keep the attention from focusing on what the other hand is doing. Is that what it's all about???

The Drought & Spillway topic??

Seems to be. This was an interesting thread until ***** politics got into it.

 

[TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark]

...and how many of you have actually has service from the VA. I thought not.

I have. It was bad. That was in the early 80s. It's been bad a long time, and it's not the fault of the administration that happens to be in office at the time.

It's just that lately they have been caught lying a lot.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Can we get back on topic?

How much snow melt do they expect? And how will it impede the repairs?

 

[California]

Can we get back on topic?

How much snow melt do they expect? And how will it impede the repairs?

I don't know the specifics but in general the Spring snowmelt and particularly, warm rain on snow, a little later in the year, are the peak runoff season instead of the peak occurring in the winter rainy season. We're not out of this yet.

They need to open the river and get the generating plant running at full output - 14k cfs - which is approximately the same quantity that was going over the emergency spillway for a couple of days. It will probably also be essential to use the main, damaged spillway again at 50 or possibly 100 cfs to dump water if huge snowmelt comes down from the mountains in a warm rainstorm. For now its wait and see. It all depends if the weather cooperates and runoff is gradual and steady, or extreme like what happened in February. Nobody knows.

Another constraint is the Feather River downstream from this mess is rated 150 cfs maximum before the levees start to fail so releasing water at an even steady rate is better than dumping at emergency volume later.

As for repairs - I don't think they can do more than band-aid stuff until summer when the flood control season is over.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I don't know the specifics but in general the Spring snowmelt and particularly, warm rain on snow, a little later in the year, are the peak runoff season instead of the peak occurring in the winter rainy season. We're not out of this yet.

They need to open the river and get the generating plant running at full output - 14k cfs - which is approximately the same quantity that was going over the emergency spillway for a couple of days. It will probably also be essential to use the main, damaged spillway again at 50 or possibly 100 cfs to dump water if huge snowmelt comes down from the mountains in a warm rainstorm. For now its wait and see. It all depends if the weather cooperates and runoff is gradual and steady, or extreme like what happened in February. Nobody knows.

Another constraint is the Feather River downstream from this mess is rated 150 cfs maximum before the levees start to fail so releasing water at an even steady rate is better than dumping at emergency volume later.

As for repairs - I don't think they can do more than band-aid stuff until summer when the flood control season is over.

Thanks for the info.

 

[California]

Another aspect - SF Chronicle.

Riverbanks collapse after Oroville Dam spillway shut off - San Francisco Chronicle

Summary when nothing came down the river, saturated banks downstream collapsed.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

Another aspect - SF Chronicle.

Riverbanks collapse after Oroville Dam spillway shut off - San Francisco Chronicle

Summary when nothing came down the river, saturated banks downstream collapsed.

Do they know if the spoils are settling or staying in solution and moving downstream?

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Once they get the generators going, that flow will help open up the river at the current debris area.

 

[California]

Spoils: I don't know the specifics for this but in general: in the 1800's, Hydraulic Mining was used all along the Sierras. This used giant 'monitors', jumbo fire nozzles, to make erosion and wash gold down into sluice boxes. Erosion like we've seen in these recent photos was the objective.

This dumped so much spoils, light material, into the rivers that 70 miles downstream from Oroville there are still abandoned 1800's sailing vessels buried under sediment at the Sacramento waterfront. Back then floods buried farmland under infertile mud, and the beds of the rivers loaded up with sediment and became higher, increasing the severity of flooding. The environmentalists of the 1870's got hydraulic mining outlawed because it was imposing huge costs on everyone downstream.

This present event had its strongest effect in the fish hatchery downstream that got overwhelmed with mud so the fish were trucked elsewhere. Farther downstream - I don't know. That stuff won't get flushed down to the ocean very rapidly so there has to be some effect.