BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights.

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Skypuppy

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Kubota BX2660
Sunday, I mowed about 20 minutes. Got off the tractor to move a hose out of the way. When I tried to restart, it would not catch thanks to the wonderful safety plungers, this time on the pto engager. Turned the switch off, yanked back on the engager, still only a click. Turned switch off again, yanked the engager as far back and and as close to me as I could, and tried to restart - with almost zero time since the last starting attempt. Heard a loud click, and everything went dead. No panel lights, no nothing. Oddly, temp gauge is still up high, to this day (Tuesday.)
Yesterday, called my Kubota dealer and they suggested a blown fuse between the alternator and starter, a 50 amp slow blow type. Ok, got one, installed it, and no change. Hmmm. Used an ohmmeter and checked the original one and it's fine!
So now, I am completely lost as to what to do. Can't really afford to take it to a shop if at all possible. Called the dealer back but got a different service person this time and he wasn't much help at all.
So please, if you have any clue what I should do next, please help! Grass is getting too high!

Thanks,
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #2  
Is it under warranty?
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #4  
I've heard of something like this happening and it turned out to be a bad connection at the battery. You get 12v but when you put a load (like the starter) on the battery, you get nothing. If you measure voltage at the starter when you crank, what do you get? There are also other safety disconnects you may have faults in including the treadle and seat.
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #5  
Welcome to TBN!

Maybe this will help? Maybe not. But worth a look. Good luck.

 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #6  
Sounds like an old battery and/or bad battery connections. It's typical for an old battery to read 11 or 12 volts and still not have enough reserve amperage to start a diesel. Half the problems that we have with electricals that came into our shop was just simple stuff. Battery & connectors.

Take the battery to a battery shop and have them load test it. Or charge it at home.... or both. If you charge it at home, it should get to 12.5 volts and stay there for at least a day or two after charging.

Clean the battery terminal connections and also the negative battery lead where it connects to the frame. Check that the heavy wire from the positive terminal of the battery to the starter is clean and tight.

You could jump the battery from your car battery if you know how. If it works, that will tell you if the tractor battery is bad. If it doesn't work, it still could be the battery terminal connections or the ends of the battery leads to frame ground and to starter.
rScotty
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights.
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Battery reads 12.5 vdc already. Fairly new.
It's a 2012 (or so) model so no warranty. :)
Remember, it ran fine just a few minutes before. Until it didn't.
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #9  
Battery reads 12.5 vdc already. Fairly new.
It's a 2012 (or so) model so no warranty. :)
Remember, it ran fine just a few minutes before. Until it didn't.

Running is different than starting. Don't guess; still check the cables. Better yet, remove, clean and re attach both ends of both battery cables. Just do it. You'd be surprised..... And with everything dead, it almost has to be battery, primary battery cables, or the main breaker fuse. I'll go farther than that below, but mostly just because this is a good chance to put down how a home mechanic should check things before going to the tractor shop.

It is rare, but a battery can have full 12.5 voltage and still not have enough amperage to turn a starter motor. To check this, leave the voltmeter on the battery while you engage a load - best would be a starter, but a couple of headlights or a large resistor would suffice. The voltage shouldn't drop much when the battery is loaded. This is what they are checking at "Batteries are US" when you take in a car battery and they run a load test. It's generally a free test.



Next step after the cables.... would be the breaker fuse....but you've done that. So do it again. THen, Double check that all the various safety switches are satisfied or bypassed. If they are all correct and the ignition switch itself is OK, You should hear the solenoid CLACK when you press the starter button.

When you you are satisfied with the cables, and switches..... the next thing to check is that starter solenoid just mentioned. It's the little can with three wires going to it that sits on the side of the starter motor. Part of it's function is to make a loud CLACK right before the starter begins to turn. There are two large wires and one small wire going to the solenoid. One large wire goes to the battery and the other large wire goes to the starter. The small wire goes up to the starter switch on the dash. When you tell the tractor to start, the wire from the dash carries a signal down to the solenoid that activates a relay - making a LOUD CLACK SOUND - as that relay connects the two large wires together internally. Now full battery power can pour into the starter motor to make it turn.

Starter motors last much longer than solenoids. Typically you will replace one or two solenoids in the life of a starter. The most common malfunction of the solenoid is for the internal contact points that carry the heavy current to burn to a crisp and then they become crispy insulators. The defective solenoid still makes a loud CLACK when actuated because it is slamming those high amperage contacts together inside itself, but the contacts cannot make enough clean metallic contact to send the needed current to the starter motor.

If you can take the solenoid off and apart, you can find those burnt points - they are usually copper - and clean them up with a small file.

Or just replace the solenoid on a bet. It's a half hour job done with minimal tools and they are inexpensive parts.

Once the solenoid is dealt with, it is on to the starter. This is when I lwould look around the surrounding small towns and see if there is a one-man shop that repairs starters and alternators. An old-fashioned auto electric shop. Generally tiny, generally messy. Starters are usually removed simply by undoing two bolts. All the wiring is to the solenoid. Disconnect and take it over to the auto electric shop for a rebuild. Usually that's $150.00.

And if that does not do it, then it's time to take out a schematic and your volt/ohm/meter and check if the ignition switch is working.

And if that doesn't do it, it is finally time to call the tractor shop mechanic. And if you can get him to believe you have done all these things above (and he is going to check for himself), then you have still saved yourself a few hours of of his wages.

Electrical malfunctions are the preferred mechanical shop problems. They are always completely logical, clean, and non-oily. They can always be fixed. It's like being paid to play a computer game.
rScotty
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #10  
I had issues like that before. Ended up having wife try turning over starter while i messed with battery cables using gloved hand. Tractor fired up. I ended up replacing cables and never had another issue.

Also mine would be running before issue. Id shut it down and as soon as i tried to start nothing. No radio, no lights, no dash lights, nothing.
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #11  
I recently had this on my 2660. Ran without issue and then, much like your experience, would not start. Pulled the cover off and found the hot terminal on the battery could be spun by hand. Cleaned, charged and running fine. I also checked the 23 and the trucks for the same.
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #12  
I had a similar issue with a bx1850 it ended up being a loose neutral battery wire that was attached to the frame of the tractor , the nut had backed completely off .
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #13  
Do you have a voltmeter and do you know how to use it? AND do you have a second person to operate the tractor while you take voltage readings during the starting procedure. If you follow my instructions we will get your tractor running. If you would like to talk to me over the phone contact me here or send email with your phone number to k0ua@yahoo.com. If you want me to help you fix it all you have to do is ask and I will assist you.

James
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights. #14  
Well, the OP joined on the 9th, posted 3 times on the 10th, last activity at 6 am the 10th. SO, let's let him chew on the thoughts for a while and maybe he'll come back when he has time and let us know the results.

Also, nobody told him "Welcome to TBN!"

Welcome to TBN! :laughing:
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights.
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Well, the OP joined on the 9th, posted 3 times on the 10th, last activity at 6 am the 10th. SO, let's let him chew on the thoughts for a while and maybe he'll come back when he has time and let us know the results.

Also, nobody told him "Welcome to TBN!"

Welcome to TBN! šŸ˜†
Glad to see someone enjoys math...
 
   / BX2660 dead. Not even dash lights.
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#16  
Found the culprit. It WAS the safety switches (actually TWO of them!) Cleaned and adjusted one and simply wired around the one for the seat. What a pain in the tush that was!
 

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