Buying Advice BX vs B for 7 acres

/ BX vs B for 7 acres #21  
The BX is like a really large garden tractor on steroids. No offense. Neat little tractors, but the tires are so short.
The B's are like what they used to sell for small Ag tractors. And if I remember correctly from my last visit to the dealership, the small L series isn't much larger than my tractor. I was kind of interested in one, until I got the price. What cracks me up is there used to not be CUT's (pre-1970's). They just made small tractors, and that was that.
Did you think people would let something like this go by without correcting it?:)
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/.../185147-bx1860-vx-b2320-contrast-compare.html
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-buying-pricing/178828-bx2360-vs-b-series-mowing.html
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/kubota-owning-operating/148830-b3200-bx2660-side-side-not.html
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #22  
I own a BX and from what you describe, I think a B would be better. The tires are pretty small on the BX, and you would most likely find the B better. That said, I think a Bx would also make you a good tractor.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #23  
I guess I did offend some people. Those BX owners sure love their tractors.:thumbsup::laughing:
I just meant that the profile is a bit like a giant garden tractor. A lot larger, but long and low. That's what I thought when I saw them. I was expecting a bit more height or something. Not saying they can't do a lot of stuff I am sure they can. They have a cat1 3PH, and all the rest of the real tractor features that garden tractors don't have. Mostly thought that they would be high centered so easy in that mud pit I have to work in, and then how would I get it out? That little B2620 just walks right through that doughy clay in 4wd. I do get a little concerned about that mid mount PTO. It would be nice if it had a cover or shield over it when you don't use it. I can just imagine it hooking something, or getting packed with mud.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres
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#24  
OP Here:

Wow, I am impressed. You have all give me an abundance of valuable information in a short time, so all of you are much appreciated. I use only one other similar website and its for campers. I can ask a question and after a week get 3 or 4 replies.

All things considered the B is probably the correct size for us. The road is on the incline, in bad shape and full of larger rocks (like 6" to 2 ft diam). So I'll use that as a baseline even if looking at other brands.

Since there were no replies on the price question, and from other posts, I believe that is my responsibility to just shop till all falls into place.

So:
What is a quick hitch.
What the heck does TPH stand for.
Is there a list of acronyms somewhere?
Everyone speaks of dealers and noone speaks of buying from individuals. Are dealership relationships that important?
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #25  
OP Here:


Since there were no replies on the price question, and from other posts, I believe that is my responsibility to just shop till all falls into place.

That price sounds good for what you listed if it is in good condition. The tractor you quoted would run that or more new with out the other implements. The FEL runs at leas $2000 new and the MMM runs around $2000. Buying used is a practical way to save some money. Only reason I didn't buy used was financing. That, and I'm sick of dealing with other people's problems. People who like to take care of their stuff seldom part with it, unless something catastrophic happens.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #26  
I guess I did offend some people. Those BX owners sure love their tractors.:thumbsup::laughing:
I just meant that the profile is a bit like a giant garden tractor. A lot larger, but long and low. That's what I thought when I saw them. I was expecting a bit more height or something. Not saying they can't do a lot of stuff I am sure they can. They have a cat1 3PH, and all the rest of the real tractor features that garden tractors don't have. Mostly thought that they would be high centered so easy in that mud pit I have to work in, and then how would I get it out? That little B2620 just walks right through that doughy clay in 4wd. I do get a little concerned about that mid mount PTO. It would be nice if it had a cover or shield over it when you don't use it. I can just imagine it hooking something, or getting packed with mud.

For the most part, I just look at the BX as a "low profile" B. Kubota makes low profile tractors in the M Series, but that does not make them "less" a tractor than their taller brethren. We use a low profile Massey Ferguson 375 72 HP for working on slopes and it is the most stable tractor we have. No, it does not have the ground clearance of the other 375, but that works to our advantage.

I don't look at it as being defensive or sensitive, just correcting a misconception. I don't denigrate a B because we have a L or an M and don't understand why some feel compelled to do so to a BX. This may very well not apply to you, but as John has pointed out, this is not new nor rare.

Our BX is the right tool for what we need as are our others.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #27  
For price, I bought my BX2350 about 3 1/2 years ago, and with a MMM, and FEL, I think it was around $14,000, so $13,500 sounds like a deal to me for the B.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #28  
I think that would be an excellent deal on the B2630. The tractor lists with the FEL & MMM for about $24K new. You could obviously get it for a bit less than that, but $13500, seems like a great deal to me. The 2630 is the premium B with a number of nice features including extendable links on the 3 pt hitch for easy hook up of implements and position control which is the preferred system for the 3 pt hitch.

The mower is a ground following mower in that the weight of the mower rides on the wheels when mowing instead of suspended from the tractor. I would prefer the suspended mower, but the other features of the B2630 are better than on my 2920. For that money and with 50 hours, especially if the dealer has serviced it and has history with it, I would probably go for it.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #29  
OP Here:

Wow, I am impressed. You have all give me an abundance of valuable information in a short time, so all of you are much appreciated. I use only one other similar website and its for campers. I can ask a question and after a week get 3 or 4 replies.

All things considered the B is probably the correct size for us. The road is on the incline, in bad shape and full of larger rocks (like 6" to 2 ft diam). So I'll use that as a baseline even if looking at other brands.

Since there were no replies on the price question, and from other posts, I believe that is my responsibility to just shop till all falls into place.

So:
What is a quick hitch.
What the heck does TPH stand for.
Is there a list of acronyms somewhere?
Everyone speaks of dealers and noone speaks of buying from individuals. Are dealership relationships that important?

The price on the B2630 doesn't sound bad to me if you get the remainder of the warranty; might try to talk him down a bit, but may lose out on it also. The Bxx30 Series has some options the Bxx20 does not; for some they are important and for others they are not.

There is a thread with a list of acronyms somewhere on here, but I haven't found it again, I need to start saving links.

A Quick Hitch is like those offered by PATS with quick hitch only on the lower arms; can also get a full three point through Land Pride and others.

Land Pride Quick Hitches

TPH is Three Point Hitch.

A lot of people are afraid to buy used or find it more advantageous to use the ow finance rates to go new. I have bought used as well as new. Many don't know what to look for in buying used, some threads on here about that. My brother is a mechanic,, so he an check out anything I am looking at. He can also save a bunch of money buying a broken machine and fixing it up. The last used tractor I bought was from a dealer with all of the maintenance records and he threw in a full service after the sale.

To me a good dealership has saved me a lot of money, but we have bought quite a bit of stuff.

Maintenance is not hard on these things and we do it all on our tractors, so that may not be important, but it is nice to know there is someone dependable in case something beyond routine maintenance is needed.

My dealer has given me a couple of free house calls to drop stuff off at my house to save me a trip when they were going to be in the area. I even got a free set of chains put on the Land Pride rotary cutter once.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #31  
I guess I did offend some people.... That's what I thought when I saw them.

I'm not seeing anything that indicates anyone was offended; I wasn't. I completely agree with that second sentence above though. Sometimes a person draws a conclusion based on just a glimpse. Appearances can be deceiving; and in the case of the BX, you get a lot more than it appears at first blush.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #32  
I'm not seeing anything that indicates anyone was offended; I wasn't. I completely agree with that second sentence above though. Sometimes a person draws a conclusion based on just a glimpse. Appearances can be deceiving; and in the case of the BX, you get a lot more than it appears at first blush.

Ditto, no offense taken here at all. Just trying to clear up a misconception.:thumbsup:
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #33  
I'm not seeing anything that indicates anyone was offended; I wasn't. I completely agree with that second sentence above though. Sometimes a person draws a conclusion based on just a glimpse. Appearances can be deceiving; and in the case of the BX, you get a lot more than it appears at first blush.

Ditto, no offense taken here at all. Just trying to clear up a misconception.:thumbsup:
No offense taken, I was just trying to educate the poster and other readers.
I've had/have BX's, B's and a L. All three sizes are tractors. Between B's I bought an L3240HST FEL and when I climbed up on that sucker the first time and started rolling along with that big bucket in front, I thought to myself "Self.......now THIS is a TRACTOR"!!! But after that initial climb up to the heights brought about by big tall wheels and found a hugh rock embedded into a dirt wall that it wouldn't break loose I came to the realization that even a REAL TRACTOR had limits just like the "almost" tractors. Then I used the L3240 a bit more and realized that all three of the sizes of Kubotas that I had owned were all "real" tractors just some were bigger/littler than others.:)
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #34  
I came to the realization that even a REAL TRACTOR had limits just like the "almost" tractors. Then I used the L3240 a bit more and realized that all three of the sizes of Kubotas that I had owned were all "real" tractors just some were bigger/littler than others.

Exactly. They are all "real" and useful. But for me The L series is what serves me the best. The L3400HST just has more lift and push ability, as well as the ground clearance I need. I dont mow much, just cut brush/weeds a couple times a year, so my needs are different, I move dirt/gravel and lots and lots of big rocks. Not that I didn't get a lot of work out my B7500, because I sure did.

James K0UA
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #35  
$13,600 for a B2630 is an excellent price, was looking at B3030 and B2630 and only low hour machines were at least $15,500 and up. That is a larger B and the premium model in the lineup.
I gave up looking at used and just ordered a B2920, would have jumped on a B2630 for $13,600, You can get Kubota insurance on the tractor which for about $150 a year cover it from damages with $250 deductible, without warranty coverage it still covers you for any damage even if you do something wrong, just keep up on maintenance.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #36  
To the OP:

I've had both a BX and B. On some tasks, you might want to consider an L series. I'd be all over that used machine, like butter on bread. Take note: B's come in 20 series and 30 series and they are different.

But....again...... I'd also take a real, hard look at the L series while I was there just to be sure I was convinced in my mind that I didn't need one. Take a deep breath and sort it through, but the price on the B2630 is awesome. Push for another $500 off or at least, make them dump all fluids and install all new filters. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #37  
Question is: Will a BX be to small? Spending less is always preferred, but a tractor to small would be a real problem.

With those implements (the FEL and MMM described below) what would be the new BX price? I can't help but think you aren't beating the 50-hour B2630 model by that much...

To the concern about the BX, I used to have one (BX2230) and now have a B2630. The BX was a good little rig, but I noticed a tight fit when hooking up PTO or MMM. I'm not a large person, but I was always finding hooking up stuff a tight fit. Maybe just me I guess. The BX always picked up stuff when in any sort of woods, too, and has a smaller bucket on the FEL. The B2630 comes with position hold and some other nice features on the 3PH, and I've found its higher ground clearance comes in handy. We have 5 acres, btw. I mow regularly 2 acres; the rest is wooded and/or mowed less frequently. Do a lot of gravel work, and till the garden with the B2630.

PS: Local dealer has a used B2630 that the owner never used. I believe about 50 hours. With FEL and MMM. Wants $13,500 which sounds high, but it is essentially a new tractor without the warranty. How does this price sound.

That price sounds a little better than what I gave for the B2630 (admittedly new) with FEL (no MMM - a not small consideration).

Good luck with your decision.

Dave
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #38  
Here's another thought for you...

What if instead of this purchase, you bought an industrial backhoe/loader for say, $10K and then the balance for an older tractor to box/blade with?

I'm just making up the numbers but here's my situation.

My personal property is only about 2.5 acres give or take a blade of grass. I own an industrial backhoe and have found tons of things to do with it that have saved me a boatload of cash.

I've taken down trees, replanted them, replanted my wifes day-lillies (true story), built a rock (boulder) retaining wall, moved countless loads of dirt for lawn, push fallen trees off road, fill front bucket (8' wide) with mulch and use it as a powered wheelbarrow... the list goes on...

If I GAVE this machine away today, I would have still come out ahead for all I've done with it.

Now, to be clear, I also live in the middle of the wifes family farm so I'm surrounded by more acerage than my own. Still... for what I've done on my own property it's been a wonderful tool to have.

so I'd suggest this... buy a used backhoe/loader now to do all your gruntwork. When done you can resell it and then buy a smaller tractor to maintain that which you've created.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres
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All: Keep 'em coming. This info is great.


Dave: From what I've seen, a new BX with implements is around 17 - 18K, and a new B2630 from the Kubota webquote site is about 26K.

There is a new BX xxxx sitting on the dealer floor with FEL and MMM for 15K.

As a newbee I was hoping for a descent tractor for 6 - 8k and feel I am probably just wrong, unless I go with a 25 year old Ford or equal. While that's an option and I am a descent repair it guy, I don't want a project, just a tractor.

I drove a new John Deer 2320 today. It was fine, probably good unit, but somehow it seemed like a toy. Just didn't have that solid tractor feel to it. This is surely a personal feel deal to me others may disagree with.



Richard: Interesting idea on backhoe. Actually my son in law lives in area and owns a construction company, so for big stuff he will bring out a monster. Not the same convenience as having it there, but available if necessary. Your idea did start me thinking about ways to leverage that option more which I appreciate a lot. Thanks.
 
/ BX vs B for 7 acres #40  
John,

Just a few thoughts, not necessarily connected to one another:

If you decide on a BX and you want to have your own backhoe on hand for use at any time, you will do much better getting a BX25 than getting a BXxxxx and adding the Woods backhoe later. The BX25 is less expensive than a BXxxxx + Woods BH6000 and the bh goes back on easier. The Woods is 2% stronger, but the 3ph and 4ph collide with each other when the 3ph is at both max width and max height, though some sawing and grinding can overcome that.

Kubota doesn't provide a bh for any BXxxxx, but as stated above, you can add a Woods later. You cannot order a BX25 without a bh, it comes with the tractor, period. With a B series, you can add a standard Kubota bh at any point later in time, for the same price (unless the dealer gives you a special discount-which he might do-for getting it when you buy the tractor).

Richard's suggestion is excellent, and in that your S.I.L. has heavy equipment, it might be prudent to do the majority of the heavy construction work up front with his heavy equipment, then limit your investment only in a smaller tractor for maintenance. If you take this route, you might only need a BX, and could even go with the smaller BX1860, which can take Kubota MMM and FEL, can also take other 3ph implements, and even can take the Woods bh.

On the other hand, if you are going to do any more than a little of the construction work, forest maintenance work, etc. with your own tractor, a BX is going to take all of your available time. It will do everything you want (other than crawling over logs and rocks that require high clearance), and will fill the bill if you are retired and need to stay out of the house all of the time, but I really think you need a B or an L if you want to do most of this construction work with your own tractor.

I'd talk to that S.I.L. and see what you can work out.

Tom
 
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