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Looks like he is probably going to win...hopefully this will not get dragged out like the last election (2000)
Bush is the winner...maybe....
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Maybe? It's obvious no network wants to be the first to declare a winner, but if you take all the states currently called the current total is:
Bush: 274
Kerry: 252
The only states that have not yet been called by any network is Iowa and New Mexico. When it's all over the final tally should be
Bush: 286
Kerry: 252
Bush: 274
Kerry: 252
The only states that have not yet been called by any network is Iowa and New Mexico. When it's all over the final tally should be
Bush: 286
Kerry: 252
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I think it turned out to be an interesting night for "values" as it seems like the vote may have hinged more on character and value than on the economy or terrorism. 11 states had same *** marriages on the ballot and voters declared those illegal in all 11 of those states. Gun rights seems to have played a part. Abortion and stem cell research (cloning) also seems to have brought out voters. The media seems to have gotten wrong the effects of the "youth" vote.
It could be argued that Democratic Senator Dashele, leader of the Senate, was ousted because his "values" were too different than President Bush's values.
Indiana has a tendancy to vote Democratic locally and Republican nationally, but Indiana voted out the Democratic governor and voted in a Republican challenger. Those same voters overwhelmingly elected a Democratic Senator and Indiana was the first state that the networks called for Bush when the polls closed. Interesting dynamics.
When all the votes for all the races are counted, it will be interesting to see the total outcome. But it looks like the Republicans picked up 2 to 3 Senate seats increasing their majority as well as picking up several additional seats in the House to increase their majority. I'm not sure the last time that one party pulled off such a resounding victory in so many elections (even if the victory is by a small margin in many races).
It could be argued that Democratic Senator Dashele, leader of the Senate, was ousted because his "values" were too different than President Bush's values.
Indiana has a tendancy to vote Democratic locally and Republican nationally, but Indiana voted out the Democratic governor and voted in a Republican challenger. Those same voters overwhelmingly elected a Democratic Senator and Indiana was the first state that the networks called for Bush when the polls closed. Interesting dynamics.
When all the votes for all the races are counted, it will be interesting to see the total outcome. But it looks like the Republicans picked up 2 to 3 Senate seats increasing their majority as well as picking up several additional seats in the House to increase their majority. I'm not sure the last time that one party pulled off such a resounding victory in so many elections (even if the victory is by a small margin in many races).
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Is this CNN or TBN? I thought there was a no politics policy on the web site????? It seems to me that some people on this discussion group can give their political views but others get their posts pulled. I know this from personal experience. I have also been told that post would be pulled because of political content and they were not removed. There is a double standard on this site concerning this issue. What's up with that?
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David, so far I think the posts are simple observations of what happened. Nobody seems to have stated their personal prefernce and nobody seems to have even said what side they are on or even what values they have.
I think it is reasonable to state some information and observations, but not to inject opinion. It is pretty hard to argue that rural land owners don't have a stake in the elections. I consider the process itself to be interesting.
I think it is reasonable to state some information and observations, but not to inject opinion. It is pretty hard to argue that rural land owners don't have a stake in the elections. I consider the process itself to be interesting.
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Bob,
I would agree with you except that I received this PM a couple of months ago:
"We have a "no politics" policy... as was the case with your post, just about every time politics is mentioned, a debate starts. So we like to keep that out of the forums.
Regards,
Muhammad"
I would agree with you except that I received this PM a couple of months ago:
"We have a "no politics" policy... as was the case with your post, just about every time politics is mentioned, a debate starts. So we like to keep that out of the forums.
Regards,
Muhammad"
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Well I don't know about your PM, but I know that I've had many of my posts removed, and I hold no grudges when that happens. Heck there was one thread that I started that I thought was going to turn ugly so I asked to have the entire thread deleted.
I think, within the RELATED TOPICS forums, that there is some room for some discussion. However, I think the topic of politics must be kept pretty sanitized. Which means that I think (my opinion only) that we can post some factual data but should stay away from personal opinions.
I intentionally did not post the "reasons" why different people voted the way they did. But one of the most interesting things I find with this election is the % of people who voted "for" a candidate and the % of people who voted for someone they didn't like just because they were "against" the other guy. It shows how much real support one of the candidates had and how little support the other candidate had. However, I figured that posting that type of data could lead this to a discussion of political opinions as opposed to simple observations.
I think, within the RELATED TOPICS forums, that there is some room for some discussion. However, I think the topic of politics must be kept pretty sanitized. Which means that I think (my opinion only) that we can post some factual data but should stay away from personal opinions.
I intentionally did not post the "reasons" why different people voted the way they did. But one of the most interesting things I find with this election is the % of people who voted "for" a candidate and the % of people who voted for someone they didn't like just because they were "against" the other guy. It shows how much real support one of the candidates had and how little support the other candidate had. However, I figured that posting that type of data could lead this to a discussion of political opinions as opposed to simple observations.
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Looks like he is probably going to win...hopefully this will not get dragged out like the last election (2000)
AP: Kerry Calls Bush to Concede Presidency
3 minutes ago
Top Stories - AP
By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned.
AP: Kerry Calls Bush to Concede Presidency
3 minutes ago
Top Stories - AP
By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned.
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Looks like he is probably going to win...hopefully this will not get dragged out like the last election (2000)
AP: Kerry Calls Bush to Concede Presidency
3 minutes ago
Top Stories - AP
By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned. )</font>
Yeah, where is CNN in all of this. I just looked at their web page and they still have a bunch of states still open and they show the electoral votes Bush 254 and Kerry 252. Maybe that is why I don't watch them much anymore. Foxnews, Msnbc and others have the article on and declaring Bush the winner.
murph
Looks like he is probably going to win...hopefully this will not get dragged out like the last election (2000)
AP: Kerry Calls Bush to Concede Presidency
3 minutes ago
Top Stories - AP
By CALVIN WOODWARD and RON FOURNIER, Associated Press Writers
WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) won a second term from a divided and anxious nation, his promise of steady, strong wartime leadership trumping John Kerry (news - web sites)'s fresh-start approach to Iraq (news - web sites) and joblessness. After a long, tense night of vote counting, the Democrat called Bush to concede Ohio and the presidency, The Associated Press learned. )</font>
Yeah, where is CNN in all of this. I just looked at their web page and they still have a bunch of states still open and they show the electoral votes Bush 254 and Kerry 252. Maybe that is why I don't watch them much anymore. Foxnews, Msnbc and others have the article on and declaring Bush the winner.
murph
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<font color="red"> Yeah, where is CNN in all of this. I just looked at their web page and they still have a bunch of states still open and they show the electoral votes Bush 254 and Kerry 252. Maybe that is why I don't watch them much anymore.
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Murph, you're not the only one to abandon CNN. They are disbanding their CNNfn channel and laying off their employees. Their mainstay CNN channel has some very interesting watching habits. When news is breaking, the number of people who turn on CNN skyrockets, but as the story develops, those people who turned on CNN tend to switch to the networks. The bottom line is that CNN is good at breaking the story, but not good at providing in depth analysis after the story breaks. There seems to be a major trust issue with viewers, many of whom believe them to be more biased than the major 3 networks. So when the story breaks, turn on CNN, but then switch to ABC, CBS or NBC for the whole story. For cable viewers, the number one network is FOX, although I've not seen numbers on how it stacks up against the 3 major networks on broadcast news stories.
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Murph, you're not the only one to abandon CNN. They are disbanding their CNNfn channel and laying off their employees. Their mainstay CNN channel has some very interesting watching habits. When news is breaking, the number of people who turn on CNN skyrockets, but as the story develops, those people who turned on CNN tend to switch to the networks. The bottom line is that CNN is good at breaking the story, but not good at providing in depth analysis after the story breaks. There seems to be a major trust issue with viewers, many of whom believe them to be more biased than the major 3 networks. So when the story breaks, turn on CNN, but then switch to ABC, CBS or NBC for the whole story. For cable viewers, the number one network is FOX, although I've not seen numbers on how it stacks up against the 3 major networks on broadcast news stories.
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I goes both ways:
I got a post pulled about Bush Country Ketchup. It seemed innocent enough but if the owners of the site don't like it, they have the right to pull it! It's their site!
I got a post pulled about Bush Country Ketchup. It seemed innocent enough but if the owners of the site don't like it, they have the right to pull it! It's their site!
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( For cable viewers, the number one network is FOX, although I've not seen numbers on how it stacks up against the 3 major networks on broadcast news stories. )</font>
For that channel alone, I'm glad I have cable. It's been on (in the background in my office) since 2AM this morning. I believe they're way ahead of the others on the election and other subjects.
As for viewership, it comes down to how they rate a "viewer". CNN still gets more "viewer" hits a day but Fox gets more "viewer" minutes.
Not using specific numbers, here's approx. how it goes.
2 million people go to CNN per day and watch for 6 minutes (like Bob said, to get the headlines or breaking stories). CNN then has 12 million viewer minutes.
.5 million people go to FNC per day but watch for 30 minutes. FNC then has 15 million viewer minutes.
So, who's the most watched? Do you count the actual people or how many people watch for how long?
For that channel alone, I'm glad I have cable. It's been on (in the background in my office) since 2AM this morning. I believe they're way ahead of the others on the election and other subjects.
As for viewership, it comes down to how they rate a "viewer". CNN still gets more "viewer" hits a day but Fox gets more "viewer" minutes.
Not using specific numbers, here's approx. how it goes.
2 million people go to CNN per day and watch for 6 minutes (like Bob said, to get the headlines or breaking stories). CNN then has 12 million viewer minutes.
.5 million people go to FNC per day but watch for 30 minutes. FNC then has 15 million viewer minutes.
So, who's the most watched? Do you count the actual people or how many people watch for how long?
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MaineGuy, I don't see any political posts here. Facts about what might have made the election the way it was, but no particular leanings. Besides, if this was CNN, well, never mind....
slowrev
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"Bush is the winner...maybe...."
A very true statement, he just might regret a second term, it will not be an easy one.
Just an observation
Changed the oil in my tractor yesterday, so that this is a tractor related post /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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A very true statement, he just might regret a second term, it will not be an easy one.
Just an observation
Changed the oil in my tractor yesterday, so that this is a tractor related post /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Alan is right. This isn't considered politics. If this starts to turn into a "political" thread, which is where there is political debate and opinions, then it would be closed. The threads on the election have only been informative and not confrontational or in a way to invite debate and thus it usually turns ugly. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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<font color="blue"> I would agree with you except that I received this PM a couple of months ago:</font>
PM = Private Message.
While what Muhammad told you is public knowledge (for anyone who reads the TOS or FAQ), disclosing the contents of a PM without the senders permission is a breach of etiquette. I assume you had his permission, correct?
PM = Private Message.
While what Muhammad told you is public knowledge (for anyone who reads the TOS or FAQ), disclosing the contents of a PM without the senders permission is a breach of etiquette. I assume you had his permission, correct?
thcri
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Is this CNN or TBN? I thought there was a no politics policy on the web site????? It seems to me that some people on this discussion group can give their political views but others get their posts pulled. I know this from personal experience. I have also been told that post would be pulled because of political content and they were not removed. There is a double standard on this site concerning this issue. What's up with that?
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I really don't think this thread is about politics. There is no discussion about who would be the better candidate or who's view is the correct one. All the original poster is stating is who the the winner is to be less any more Florida's or anything like that. Now if the original poster said "Bush is the winner along with his reasons or dislikes, then it would be politics.
Realy no different to me if the poster said "Boston Red Sox is the winner"
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I really don't think this thread is about politics. There is no discussion about who would be the better candidate or who's view is the correct one. All the original poster is stating is who the the winner is to be less any more Florida's or anything like that. Now if the original poster said "Bush is the winner along with his reasons or dislikes, then it would be politics.
Realy no different to me if the poster said "Boston Red Sox is the winner"
murph
Yeah, no politics... while this thread is more of a "news item" I'm going to lock it before people get into the political side of the discussion.
As for the double standard... well, there is only one presidental election every four years so I think we can afford some slack so long as no arguments ensue.
As for the double standard... well, there is only one presidental election every four years so I think we can afford some slack so long as no arguments ensue.
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