Burning Water

[patrick_g]

Martin, When I first worked at a Gov lab as a student slave while a physics major/math minor at San Diego State the group I worked in had an isotope powered thermal electric source (nuclear-electric power source) which was placed on the sea floor and powered the remote telemetry and sensors on board a spar buoy at the surface.

Given the numbers of biological oceanographers and such at the lab there would have been lots of feedback if it were at all suspected that the bottom fish were developing extra eyes or radiologically induced mutations or the clams were growing tentacles or growing to massive proportions and threatening to eat cities. We were into physical oceanography but our cousins would have let us know if they were concerned.

Maybe you could get one of those babies (isotope powered thermal generators) to supply power to your 3D wrist TV with 7.1 surround and individual drink cooler with "cool zone" personal climate altering accessory.

We also had a buoy that we powered with a wind generator (when we weren't having to go out in a boat to change the batteries.) Big waves took off the blades one time, too much wind burned out the brake and then slung the blades another. It was fun though to drive down the public street (Rosecrans) with the wind genny in the back of a Gov pickup to simulate wind blowing it to check its output under load. Yes, I have been "INTO" alternate and renewable energy solutions since the late 60's.

Pat

 

[SLOBuds]

Rosecrans in the 60s! Brings back 'interesting' memories. Cleaned that right up the way Times Square was cleaned up. Darn!

After writing my reactor-in-a-box requirement, I Googlized for a bit and shore nuff, Toshiba will introduce one here in 2009.

NukeInABox

Since I believe everything I read on the internet, now I'm satisfied that I will have my own reactor next year and I'll have to rag on my father about other things that engineers are falling short on.

The thing that's really freakin' me and Susan out right now Pat are those 12 ovens on Mars. I saw ALL of those movies. Once those organisms are unfrozen they will grow into huge 30 m. black bugs and start looking for their preferred meal again - humans. For sure.

 

[Searchman]

Look at Hydrogen Garage LLC

 

[Egon]

Flywheels were sorta touted back in the 60's as I recall.

I'm all for the little bugs in controlled situations munching away and making an energy releasing product.

Nuclear power also seems pretty reasonable alternative under the proper circumstances.

Out at the lake last week I had a fire going and decided that was a good time to try the water experiment. Darned fire went out!

 

[patrick_g]

Out at the lake last week I had a fire going and decided that was a good time to try the water experiment. Darned fire went out!

Bad technique.

It is all in the wrists.

You have to impart a proper spin to the water such that the coupling of rotary moment is captured by the spin of the binding electrons in the bond forming the hydronium oxide (AKA di-hydrogen oxide) such that the component parts are properly dissociated prior to being elevated in temperature.

Once accomplished, the above will bring you to the brink of the desired exothermic reaction where further explanation is not required and further technique will not enhance the energy release output.

Pat

 

[Egon]

Oh ho so thats it.

Now the big question is what plane the spin must be in and how is the plane oriented in correlation to the solar system?

But on the other hand doesn't this spin thats added requie some kind of energy regime. You gotta remember my body is in very sad shape these days and does not contain much energy!

 

[SLOBuds]

Look at Hydrogen Garage LLC

Too scarey with that Big Guy missing the old beat-up garage, hitting a helpless Oak tree instead. Like Astronaut Farmer.

 

[atgreene]

Oh gawd, I hope it ain't so... I need my water to, uh drink & bath &stuff. If it really burns then that means it'll be comoditized, then the clepto-corpra-crats will control ALL-OF-It? I guess I'll have to get another job to pay for this, or be thirsty & stinky?

Ever heard of that little company called Poland Spring?

 

[have_blue]

Bad technique.

It is all in the wrists.

You have to impart a proper spin to the water such that the coupling of rotary moment is captured by the spin of the binding electrons in the bond Pat

Speaking of spin...

One night I couldn't sleep, so I thought about extracting energy from tectonic plate movement. The San Andreas fault for example, moves about an inch a year. You anchor a giant gear rack on one side, and a giant pinion gear on the other, geared up maybe 100,000:1. Give the pinion a big spin to get it started, and there she goes! Free energy for someone's charged fence!

 

[rox]

You mean like next summer?

Wedge

We are paying $9 USD per gallon over here in Provence France. We are feeling a slowdown in our economy. We are now picking and selling almonds at the wholsale market. Green almonds you pick them when they are green instead of waiting for them to fall off the trees in fall. This wholsale market we go to, the farmers side is like 4 football fields long, the buyers side is a bit bigger. Green almonds are a seasonal kind of luxury fruit/food. If you are tightning your belt you can easily forego buying green almonds, it is not a staple like green beans, lettuce and tomatoes. The buys are down, way donw, nt as many buyers at the wholsale market. We ahve a very good year over eyar customer who has a couple gren grocer stores, they are now down to 1 store. last year they bought 50 cases 95 Kilo cases) at a time. This year they are buying only 15 cases at a time. My husband brought 47 cases to the market today and didn't even sell them all, came back with 17 cases. He said there were hardly any buyers today and he even sold like 10 cases at 0.80 Euros a kilo. The guy had him between a rock and a hard spot and said, "Look I see how many cases you got take it or leave it" So he took it. We have never ever ever sold green almonds for 0.80 cents per kilo, not even our first year 4 years ago. And plus we were the only one selling green almonds today.

These high oil prices are going to bring the world ecenomy to it's knees. I truly tryly wish we could find cheap alternatives to fossil fuels. We will pick almonds tomorrow, last Friday he sold them all and at a good price, between 1.50 Euros a kilo and 2 euros a kilo, so hopefully the market on Friday will be better than today. Usually on Fridays the market is better, we can only hope.

 

[AchingBack]

My latest discovery: My 1 oz. nugget of kryptonite will power my tractor for exactly, 0 seconds.

 

[turnkey4099]

Oh ho so thats it.

Now the big question is what plane the spin must be in and how is the plane oriented in correlation to the solar system?

But on the other hand doesn't this spin thats added requie some kind of energy regime. You gotta remember my body is in very sad shape these days and does not contain much energy!

Stop! Now! You have already mentioned 'plane', next comes 'conveyor'...

Harry K

 

[MikeD74T]

But would you be for it if they wanted to build a reactor or a nuclear disposal site 1 mile from your home?

Many of us are all for nuclear reactors, as long as they are 500 miles away.

My home is 3 miles from a nuclear reactor and a spent fuel dry storage facility. Right now I'm in my office about 250' from the reactor. It pays my bills. My annual federal radiation exposure limit is 5000 millirem, my company limit is 1000millirem, last year my actual dose was 3 millirem. My highest annual dose was 15 millirem. If I wasn't working so many hours I could get more dose from the sun while riding my tractor. If you learned about nuclear you might feel differently. MikeD74T

 

[Eagleview]

I'm all for Nuclear energy . But the one thing that does bother me is the fact that a large number of Nuclear warheads around the globe are aimed at each one of them . The dose of Radiation you will recieve if someone was to push a red button would be above the recomended level . I think theres plenty of places in the worlds deserts for Nuclear power stations . Why use good lands and create strike zones in inhabited areas not to mention the irreversible damage and pollution to rivers and streams in such actions . At least if something were to happen in a remote area it could be contained . With the lack of rivers and streams and taking into consideration the prevailing winds there would be many good sites for these power stations . A rail network could easily be built to service them and a pipeline to supply cooling water laid beside it . Can it be that simple , or am i missing something ?

 

[tallyho8]

My home is 3 miles from a nuclear reactor and a spent fuel dry storage facility. Right now I'm in my office about 250' from the reactor. It pays my bills. My annual federal radiation exposure limit is 5000 millirem, my company limit is 1000millirem, last year my actual dose was 3 millirem. My highest annual dose was 15 millirem. If I wasn't working so many hours I could get more dose from the sun while riding my tractor. If you learned about nuclear you might feel differently. MikeD74T

I would like to see more nuclear reacors in America to decrease our dependence on foreign oil but I think the main objection to nuclear reactors is because no one can agree on a disposal site and much nuclear waste right now is stored on site while it is being determined what to do with it.

The best thing for the American economy would be power plants powered by "clean coal" tecnology as we have enough coal to supply us for hundreds of years.

 

[MikeD74T]

Iron Horse, If you're missing anything I think it's the magnitude of support needed by nuclear, or any other steam power plant. The vulnerability of large pipelines and transmission lines, cost to move that much cooling water, transmission line loss are all major factors in power plant sitings. Why transport coal when we could just build powerplants in the coal fields? Cause coal is easier to move than water. Power, like oil, has to be affordable enough for someone to buy it.
As far as nuclear weapons are concerned, oddly I slept on one for my first 3 months on a submarine, personally I think anyone capable of launching anything big enough to break through a containment structure & burst a reactor vessel cound just as easily detonate a "dirty" or neutron device and eliminate the same population. But then, I don't spend a lot of time worrying about being struck by meteorites either. Postulating something of such magnitude as that, maybe it would be better to be the first one to go rather than the last one alive. MikeD74T

 

[have_blue]

I think the main objection to nuclear reactors is because no one can agree on a disposal site and much nuclear waste right now is stored on site while it is being determined what to do with it.

The best thing for the American economy would be power plants powered by "clean coal" tecnology as we have enough coal to supply us for hundreds of years.

That's because people aren't being pinched hard enough enough yet.

When the electric and heating bill goes to $1000 per month, there will be an outcry so loud that we WILL start building more nukes, and using sensible disposal sites. When we get fed up with high prices, any tree huggers that get in the way of progress will end up in the same disposal sites.

I agree with the coal, plus we have billions of barrels of oil locked in oil shale. It's already feasible to recover. We just need the government to release it so we can use it. So release it already!

 

[Eagleview]

I think anyone capable of launching anything big enough to break through a containment structure & burst a reactor vessel cound just as easily detonate a "dirty" or neutron device and eliminate the same population.

I did'nt make myself clear , i meant that a Nuclear reactor becomes a target for a Nuclear strike . The first thing they will try to do is rob us of power and comunications . I meant that it would be safer to have the target away from a populated site that may not neccessarily be a target already . I would think that targeting civilians would be secondary to concentrating on utilities ie. oil , gas , electricity , rail , airports , telecoms etc .

 

[MikeD74T]

I did'nt make myself clear , i meant that a Nuclear reactor becomes a target for a Nuclear strike . The first thing they will try to do is rob us of power and comunications . I meant that it would be safer to have the target away from a populated site that may not neccessarily be a target already . I would think that targeting civilians would be secondary to concentrating on utilities ie. oil , gas , electricity , rail , airports , telecoms etc .

Iron Horse, I understand, I just don't agree with your assessment of whoever has the capability of nuking us these days. (The following is my opinion and may not reflect actuality) In the sixtys the "Reds" that could have nuked the US would have disrupted infrastructure only enough to enable their colonization of the US homeland. American would have become slave labor to put things back togeather. Today the "enemy" hates our idiology. They just want us dead and have no interest in colonization unless it meant colonizing our minds, i.e. converting everyone to their beliefs. Infrastructure, especially remote infrastructure is easier to damage and harder to protect. I don't mean protecting a component but protecting the system. A power plant is usless without it's support pipelines, powerlines, etc. Congregations of people are easy to defeat by infrastructure destruction regardless of where the infrastructure is, any disruption of power, food, water destroys cities. Why hit the most hardened targets, like nuclear power plants. Personally I think the most prevelant terrorist organization today is Homeland Security. They're going after our most vulnerable targets, our wallets and our freedom. MikeD74T

 

[Berniep]

They're going after our most vulnerable targets, our wallets and our freedom. MikeD74T

I gotta agree with you there.