Bulk Fuel?

[Rainbody]

Any people on here buying bulk fuel? Or pooling with friends for group buy?
I grow tired of the price jumps and am looking into a bulk purchase. Something for the truck and tractors around the ranch. Just like to see if anyone is doing this and if the discount is worth it? I've done group buys before (split set costs like shipping, packing, ect) and normally got a pretty good discount.

 

[Wnc3]

It depends,

Group purchase, same tank...I say no.

Offroad or farm fuel no road tax...that's big.

Convenience huge.

Don't run red die in a vehicle without farm tags. Big fine and it is the IRS.

Your local fuel jobber will provide a tank. Try a 500 gallon tank for a while and if you don't like it tell them to come pick it up.

 

[greasemonkeyok]

If you are purchasing in bulk to hedge against future price hikes, you have to factor in the cost of storage, shrinkage, and spoilage.

And just like any other hedge, it may not work if you are sitting on top of 500 gal of $3.75 fuel, when the price drops to $2.75.

 

[rambler]

Don't run red die in a vehicle without farm tags. Big fine and it is the IRS.

You can't run red fuel (signifying no road taxes paid) in any vehicle with a licence plate on it. Farm tags won't save you, if you are running on the road, you got to pay the road taxes.

Often times bulk fuel is not really cheaper than at the pump, as they typically deliver it - so the price is the same, what you save in 'bulk' purchase you lose in having them delivering it. 100 gallons really isn't bulk to them any more, they need some bigger gallons to recover their costs of running their delivery truck.

There are rules about how you store it, they get intense if you store more than 1300 gallons at any one address. Some states have rules about the type of fuel tank you can use, mosreso than other states.

There are serious DOT rules on transporting more than 99 gallons on the road if you want to handle it yourself, there are some states that look the other way, and you can get around it by having 10 tanks on your wagon of 99 gallons each, but - something to be aware of.

--->Paul

 

[newbury]

There are serious DOT rules on transporting more than 99 gallons on the road if you want to handle it yourself, there are some states that look the other way, and you can get around it by having 10 tanks on your wagon of 99 gallons each, but - something to be aware of.

--->Paul

Isn't it 119 gallons?
http://telsafe.org/Documents/NTSPGas-DieselFuelTransportation.pdf

and for diesel:

Diesel
Less Than 119 Gallons Non-Bulk
Diesel fuel is exempt from the hazardous materials
regulations if packaged in non-bulk (less than 119
gallons each) containers. When carried in non-bulk
containers, there is no limit on total gallons carried at
any one time. This falls under 49CFR 173.150(f) of the
DOT Hazardous Materials regulations which states that a
flammable liquid with a flash point above 100 degrees
Fahrenheit may be re-classed as a
combustible liquid.

And note

When carried in non-bulk
containers, there is no limit on total gallons carried at
any one time. When carried in non-bulk
containers, there is no limit on total gallons carried at
any one time.

 

[aczlan]

We have a 100 gallon tank with a pump that I found on Craigslist. We have it filled when they fill the fuel oil tank for the house (Local Kubota dealer is also the cheapest place to get heating oil/offroad diesel).

Aaron Z

 

[dmccarty]

We got a free fuel tank via a family connection. It is a common sized tank around here for holding oil to heat a house. Our tank came from a trailer that had been removed down east. What is funny is that one our neighbors has the same fuel tank. I think it holds 250ish gallons.

The plan was to buy bulk onroad fuel for the truck and tractor. We called around a got prices and we could save a whopping 5 cents per gallon. :laughing:

What has stopped us from using the tank is the cost of buying a pump. They ain't cheap and the pay back for the pump system would be years.

Later,
Dan

 

[aczlan]

What has stopped us from using the tank is the cost of buying a pump. They ain't cheap and the pay back for the pump system would be years.

We got the 100 Gallon tank with a pump for $75. It will pay for itself in not having to hold a 5 gallon jug in the air to fill the tractors...

Aaron Z

 

[TripleR]

We have 300 gallon tanks at two farms, but don't know if it cheaper or not, just a lot more convenient.

 

[newbury]

What has stopped us from using the tank is the cost of buying a pump. They ain't cheap and the pay back for the pump system would be years.

Later,
Dan

Diamond pilot swears by an HF ~$40 manual pump.

I just got a 300 gallon IBC for diesel fuel (thanks Taylortractornut!) and plan on filling it the next time we get a down cycle.

There's many threads on it here, especially in transportation.

 

[Davestc29]

I've been running bio diesel for about 2 years now and consistently pay about $.60-.75 less than what you get @ the pump on road here is @ 4.25 and 2 weeks ago I filled my 500 gallon tank @ 3.58, I fill once a month so atleast its a good amount of savings each month

 

[dmccarty]

We got the 100 Gallon tank with a pump for $75. It will pay for itself in not having to hold a 5 gallon jug in the air to fill the tractors...

Aaron Z

The manual pumps I have seen and used take forever to pump. For the tractor I could use a manual pump. To fill up the truck is around 32 gallons. My arms would fall off if I had to fill up the truck with the manual pumps I have used in the past.

What do you have and where did you get it? If it only pumps a gallon or two a minute I am not interested. Taking 15-30 minutes to fill the truck ain't gonna work. :laughing:

Later,
Dan

 

[dmccarty]

I've been running bio diesel for about 2 years now and consistently pay about $.60-.75 less than what you get @ the pump on road here is @ 4.25 and 2 weeks ago I filled my 500 gallon tank @ 3.58, I fill once a month so atleast its a good amount of savings each month

Is the fuel road legal?

Later,
Dan

 

[aczlan]

What do you have and where did you get it? If it only pumps a gallon or two a minute I am not interested. Taking 15-30 minutes to fill the truck ain't gonna work. :laughing:

It appears to be a Gasboy 1230C/4230C (per: http://www.habhegger.com/pdfs/gasboy/1230.pdf and Gasboy Transfer Pumps )
It takes 7 rotations per gallon, so GPM depends on your cranking speed...
It came on the 100 gallon tank I got for $75 on Craigslist.

Aaron Z

 

[dmccarty]

It appears to be a Gasboy 1230C/4230C (per: http://www.habhegger.com/pdfs/gasboy/1230.pdf and Gasboy Transfer Pumps )
It takes 7 rotations per gallon, so GPM depends on your cranking speed...
It came on the 100 gallon tank I got for $75 on Craigslist.

Aaron Z

Thanks Aaron!

That might work. I would think I could crank out quite a few GPM with that pump. I had to use a rotary pump when I worked on a farm as a kid and that thing too forever to fill up a MF 135 or 165.

I would prefer hand power in any case since I would not have to need electric power but some of the pump I have seen were very low GPM and would not work with the truck. The tractor uses so little fuel it is a who cares with a small GPM pump or the yellow cans I know use.

Thanks,
Dan

 

[Pete Judd]

I am putting my 275 gallon tank 8 feet up in the air. Gravity seems so far to be reliable, as it has been around for a heck of a long time. A ladder and platform built into the side will allow the fuel guy to climb up to fill. Already talked to the fuel guy if it was ok to do that. Off road/farm diesel seems to be about 50-75 cents cheaper than on road at the pump. Delivery minimum is 50 gallons.