Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days

   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,911  
In my experience, you pay for the finish more then anything in cabinets. The simpler the finish, the less you spend. Raised panels and rails that require more then a single pass to create the detail increase the build price. Flat panel doors and a clear finish is always going to be the fastest, easiest and least expensive.

I have flat panel maple cabinets in my house with tile counters. I spent 3 grand for my kitchen when I built it, including appliances. My parents are getting maple cabinets with raised panels, glazed and stained that are costing them 12 grand for just the cabinets. They are also getting a fancy island, but at 4 times the money from what I paid for mine, it's kind of shocking how much more you pay for what you get.

Eddie
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days
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For comparison, here's my kitchen I built using Ikea cabinets. It was probably about 10 years ago now. I believe I had less than $3k in it (not including appliances).

Sorry that is not very clean, but with 2 daughters ages 9 months and 2 years, keeping the kitchen presentable is not top priority. lol

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   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,913  
Very nice, I had no idea Ikea had nice cabinets.


BTW, your wife better not find out you posted those photos! :-D
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,914  
For comparison, here's my kitchen I built using Ikea cabinets. It was probably about 10 years ago now. I believe I had less than $3k in it (not including appliances).
Sorry that is not very clean, but with 2 daughters ages 9 months and 2 years, keeping the kitchen presentable is not top priority. lol
Looks cleaner than ours with a 3 year old and a 8 month old...
I really like the built in drainboard over the dishwasher.

Aaron Z
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,915  
I think "issues being raised" is the entire point of the criticisms. Yes, Peter is fully capable of dealing with it, but the salient point is, he shouldn't have to. Since when is the owner the quality control foreman of every detail? Suppose Peter's Mom didn't have Peter to look after this?

The 90 days goal and such have not a lot to do with it. The same mistakes would have been made in double the build time IMO. It's the people doing the work, not the 90 days. Would you, as a house builder/sub/whatever, slop stuff together and call it good because the owner is in a hurry, and be proud to put your name to it? Nobody is forcing anyone on the job to do poor work that has to be redone.

The most perfect house I know of is one of my cousin's. It was built by two very talented guys who sub out very, very little of the work, if any. It took them two years, the house is a medium size. The two years was not an issue for the cousin's situation, but suppose you could add four or six other very talented people to the project, the build time would be drastically reduced. How many people have worked on Peter's project?

Peter,
I have been away today and had a lot of pasture to mow when I got home. I missed some interesting viewpoints last night and this AM. Of course you know I agree with David 1949 in his #1896 and #1902 rebuttal. Very well written and shows the homeowners viewpoint who after all is giving these guys a job and should expect good work!
I wonder what the folks mean about all the sub contractors, since you recently explained that all but a couple of the trades are direct employees of the builder and not subcontractors on call?
My real wonder is what are all these changes and add-ons you have been making? The estimated cost sheet you published a while back covers about everything but the 6 x 6 steps down the steep hill and the terracing on the other side. It had to have been developed at the time of signing before any work was done. You showed updated changes prior to the work being done and the cost allowances.
The cost of a fancy wood open staircase from the living room to the basement was changed to concrete steps in the garage before the first nail was put in the floor joist. The contractor happily agreed to do it at no additional charge. Had he done the original fancy staircase it really would have been two builds. The first, construction steps for the workers to save using a ladder or going around to the back to get in the basement. Once the garage stairs were done, think of the time it saved for the plumbing, electrical, and other work by having quick access to the basement, rather than the no steps at all way that was going to be done. The cost of the fancy staircase with the open railing in the living room priced in the original plan would have been significant and could only be done at the end of the job to protect the fancy wood from the scuffing from all the size 10-12 work boots.
You changed from stain grade trim to extruded sawdust before any trim was started. Think of the time saved making butt joint cuts, without biscuits, versus miter joints, an no coping of even the shoe molding since putty and paint will cover the gaps. There are a number of door and window frames the same size, so once the first set was cut properly with the correct reveal, the duplicates could be chopped off rapidly using the first set as measuring sticks. Takes a lot longer to cut and fit miter joints. Staining and finishing takes a lot longer than putty and paint.
You decided to not put stone on the complete garage gable and added the extension to the right of the garage of the short wall. Probably a toss up in time and materials considering no scaffolding is now required to reach the job.
I guess you may be changing some of the paint colors but since the contractor agreed that the walls need more mud and sanding, they will have to be repainted anyway.
I wonder what the second crew did in resetting the base cabinets on Sunday besides making the peninsula at 90 degrees to the wall ? Were the opening sizes off?
I guess I better post this and check to see if you posted new pics You may have already answered some of my questions.
Ron
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,916  
Help me with the 42" uppers....How do you use that space so close to the ceiling? I'd need a ladder to get up there and that ain't happening. Is that just a style thing or is that space supposed to be functional?

mkane09
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,917  
Help me with the 42" uppers....How do you use that space so close to the ceiling? I'd need a ladder to get up there and that ain't happening. Is that just a style thing or is that space supposed to be functional?

mkane09

It's used for those items that are rarely used, like Thanksgiving stuff. If the room is not vaulted, crown moulding is used to close up the space up to ceiling.
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,918  
Help me with the 42" uppers....How do you use that space so close to the ceiling? I'd need a ladder to get up there and that ain't happening. Is that just a style thing or is that space supposed to be functional?

mkane09

This is my 3rd house with 42" cabinets. I would not have it any other way. We all have stuff that we only use on special occasions (or never!). So what if you need a step stool, it is still in the kitchen and not in basement or the garage.

Lee
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,919  
Help me with the 42" uppers....How do you use that space so close to the ceiling? I'd need a ladder to get up there and that ain't happening. Is that just a style thing or is that space supposed to be functional?

mkane09

Mine go to the ceiling, and I wouldn't want it any other way. They are very functional for me, an extra shelf where there would otherwise be wasted space.
 
   / Building a stick frame house in the woods in 90 days #1,920  
This is my 3rd house with 42" cabinets. I would not have it any other way. We all have stuff that we only use on special occasions (or never!). So what if you need a step stool, it is still in the kitchen and not in basement or the garage.
I agree, looking in our kitchen, we have: Pectin, Blooming Onion cutter, backup hand mixer, extra pitchers, etc in ours.

Aaron Z
 

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