Blew out a tire...or something

[TractorGunn]

The rachet strap may not work on smaller tires. The distance from the rachet to the hooks on my shortest hook strap left 8" of uncompressed tire, which was just enough to cpllapse and not move onto the bead.

Using a poly rope and twisting with a 2' piece of 3/4 pipe... everything compressed evenly and popped into place and onto the bead almost immediately.

Good idea, I think I'll try it that way.

 

[WinterDeere]

Yep, I just came inside after lifting the tractor and took a good look at the tire and rim. Tire doesn't appear bad other than some slight bead damage, so not as bad as I figured.

Bead is where probably 99% of all slow leaks originate. It's the most susceptable area, with regard to dirt, scratches, or debris. A slight deformation isn't a problem, tire will conform to it, but a scratch or sharp dent will usually require bead sealer to seal up.

The valve stems on the front wheels are cheap rubber valves looks like from a Huffy pre-assembled bike at Walmart. Going to upgrade that.

Those bicycles have tubed tires, whereas I thought your tractor tire was tubeless, so a whole different kind of valve stem. Personally, I've only ever had one stem failure in nearly 50 years of working on tubeless tires running standard OEM stems. I really wouldn't worry about it, unless you're subjecting this tractor to conditions where the stems is likely to be torn out.

The metal screw in types have their own issues, in that they have no flex or give, and are more likely to break or damage your rim if you do hit something with them.

Any thoughts on doing the Slime, or not?

If bead area leaks, which you can find with soapy water, then pop the tire off the bead, clean everything, and see if you can find any damage causing the leak. If there's damage causing the leak, bead sealer would be the thing to try first. Slime is not the best product for that, IMO.

 

[dodge man]

I’ve had leaks that slime stopped.

 

[Sportsman762]

Any thoughts on doing the Slime, or not?

Slime works on small leaks, however it is not the best stuff on the market. It does not handle larger punctures very well.
See the post linked below for an example of issues.

Tire Sealant for Slow Leak

I have a LS GS3038 with 12.4-24 rear tires. The tire pressure goes from 25 to 0 psi in a week. Are the run of the mill tire sealants like "Slime" good for a tractor tire of this size? I assume a gallon per tire might be required.

www.tractorbynet.com

I have had great luck with Gemplers Bullet Proof tire sealent. When working on a tree farm we ran over a piece of 1/2" rebar and punctured the front tire on a kubota b7800. It was filled with the Gemplers Bullet Proof sealent and it sealed the hole. Had to put more air in the tire initally but the seal lasted for 10 years (1200+ hours) before the tire was replaced. I put it in all my tractor tires that are not tubed.

Ultraseal Bulletproof Tire Sealant

Ultraseal Bulletproof Tire Sealant can seal up to ½ inch punctures and is designed for heavier commercial vehicles—like large trucks and trailers and works great for other larger equipment that travels both on- and off-road. Quick and easy to use, simply inject through the valve stem with the...

gemplers.com

Other folks on the forum have had great luck with TireJect.

Off-Road Products – TireJect

www.tireject.com

So the simple answer is how much do you want to spend?

The best tire valve stems in my opinion are the Milton S409.

Amazon.com

 

[TractorGunn]

Bead is where probably 99% of all slow leaks originate. It's the most susceptable area, with regard to dirt, scratches, or debris. A slight deformation isn't a problem, tire will conform to it, but a scratch or sharp dent will usually require bead sealer to seal up.


Those bicycles have tubed tires, whereas I thought your tractor tire was tubeless, so a whole different kind of valve stem. Personally, I've only ever had one stem failure in nearly 50 years of working on tubeless tires running standard OEM stems. I really wouldn't worry about it, unless you're subjecting this tractor to conditions where the stems is likely to be torn out.

The metal screw in types have their own issues, in that they have no flex or give, and are more likely to break or damage your rim if you do hit something with them.


If bead area leaks, which you can find with soapy water, then pop the tire off the bead, clean everything, and see if you can find any damage causing the leak. If there's damage causing the leak, bead sealer would be the thing to try first. Slime is not the best product for that, IMO.

I'm looking at doing bead sealant and Slime. Good post by the way, thanks!

 

[henerythe8th]

I would not put slime in it, particularly as a first resort.
You'll make a mess with the stuff, tire repair guys HATE it!
To ME
it looks like you got a flat while mowing and didn't realize it.
The flat tire bead took out the valve stem,it may still be in the tire.

Time to replace the stem and try to seat the bead.
If you can get it on the rim and inflate then check for leakage/puncture.

IF you need a new tire you'll likely have to order it...

BTW the advice about the jar of bead sealer is GREAT!

 

[CoyPatton]

Well, got done brush mowing, came inside to have a bite to eat, then came back outside to find this. Property isn't that rough nor was I on the tractor. Valve stem is gone. 27x8.50 15 tires. 6 ply. I'm thinking 6 ply is a little light but don't know. I think they're industrial grade.

Where do you all suggest getting tires? I looked these up and find skid steer tires. Advice please. Thanks!View attachment 4110664

My best guess is you had a classic rubber valve stem. Unless you damaged the valve stem, more difficult with the metal protector around it but not impossible. From what can be seen (at least by me) tire looks ok. Initially, I would probably put back in a rubber valve stem (I tend to have some around) and remount the tire. If I see damage to the tire, I would have to evaluate the tire, but unless sliced I would likely put in a tube (valve stem included). I usually run my front tires about 7-8psi below the max level. If doing heavy loader work (weight) I might increase pressure for that job.

 

[zzvyb6]

The rim shows scraping damage from rubbing against a sharp curb (whatever) which deflated the tire and also tore out the stem. I'll speculate that the stem is still inside the tire waiting to rattle around after the tire is re-seated. Turn up the radio volume, the sound won't bother you as much.
Or, get someone with small hands and fingers to reach in and put the valve stem back in place. Use a vice grips to pull it home. Be sure to use nitrogen to fill the tire instead of air to fill it. Then the change in pressure during winter months won't let it happen again. PV=nRT. (PolyVinyl Tires are Really Troublesome).

 

[TractorGunn]

Finally got time to take a really good look at this tire. FEL lifted and put a jack stand under it. Tire is sliced up really bad in spots from the rim, tread blocks have a few deep cuts, and sidewall has severe damage in one area.

Not taking any chances on that so will put on a new tire.

Only thing I can figure is when mowing we filled the bucket with a lot of rocks, some nice sized. 2 mows ago no rocks on the edge of me and the neighbors property. Time before this 'all of a sudden' there were large rocks along the property line on my side, and they had just mowed their fields. Since they were gone when I mowed this time, I mowed one path past the property line on their side. Interesting, not one rock over there.



IMHO there was a lot of weight in the FEL, and I remember hearing something on a sharp turn up hill coming back in for a break. Perhaps the tire was low, and it blew out the valve with all that pressure. Dunno. There is nothing to get against in these fields, so it wasn't that I got against a curb, stump, or anything like that, so no, I didn't hit anything with that wheel.

 

[WinterDeere]

Perhaps the tire was low, and it blew out the valve with all that pressure.

Not likely. Valve stems can be pushed in, but generally the only way to get them out is thru the inside, or physically breaking them off.

Like others have said, you're likely going to find it floating around inside the tire, or at least the back flange of it.

 

[TractorGunn]

Not likely. Valve stems can be pushed in, but generally the only way to get them out is thru the inside, or physically breaking them off.

Like others have said, you're likely going to find it floating around inside the tire, or at least the back flange of it.

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I hear you. The thing is there is no way that valve stem hit anything, let alone anything that could have torn it off. Just some grass that was maybe two feet tall. But I am a little perplexed as to what did happen.

 

[ning]

IMHO there was a lot of weight in the FEL, and I remember hearing something on a sharp turn up hill coming back in for a break. Perhaps the tire was low, and it blew out the valve with all that pressure. Dunno. There is nothing to get against in these fields, so it wasn't that I got against a curb, stump, or anything like that, so no, I didn't hit anything with that wheel.

If the pressure was low, having a heavy load in the bucket and making a sharp turn you could've just rolled right off the tire without having something to push it over.

*reminds self to check air pressure again, I got lucky when I did this that I was going slow, heard it and saw it and stopped right away*

 

[GS650GL]

Sometimes the valve stems separate where the metal insert with the valve core is molded into the rubber stem. I've seen them blow apart like that. Really sucks when it's a rear tire and Rim-guard sprays all over, especially in the shed. Sucked even more when one sprayed all over me. Rim-guard recommends putting in metal stems but they don't fit my rim correctly and leaked so I had to use rubber again. Never happened again so I think the original stems were poor quality.

 

[SPYDERLK]

I hear you. The thing is there is no way that valve stem hit anything, let alone anything that could have torn it off. Just some grass that was maybe two feet tall. But I am a little perplexed as to what did happen.

low tire under load will leak at the bead and finally debead - At that point the loose bead is what takes the valve out.

 

[LouNY]

I had to replace the valve stems on my UTV this spring. The chinese junk stems were breaking off when I checked the tire pressures.

 

[WinterDeere]

I had to replace the valve stems on my UTV this spring. The chinese junk stems were breaking off when I checked the tire pressures.

Reminds me of my wife's old Volvo V50 T5 R-design. Galvanic reaction between the valve stems and alloy wheels on our salty roads had two of the four valve stems snap off within weeks of one-another. Expensive little buggers, with integrated TPMS's.

I decided to just replace all four, after the second one failed. The third snapped off while unscrewing to replace! Say what you will about bad design and material selection, but their quality (consistency) was pretty remarkable, to have all fail within days of one-another, after 10 years and 200k miles. No randomness or poorly-controlled variables, there!

 

[Mudfarmer]

The first time a front tire goes flat for any reason on one of my tractors, I put in a tube after looking for a puncture cause. Running over hawthorn thorns or turning with a heavy load in the front loader breaking the bead is about equal in my fleet. Tubes work for either.

As for valve stems, metal is better that rubber especially if you park outside in the summer sun.

 

[SPYDERLK]

The first time a front tire goes flat for any reason on one of my tractors, I put in a tube after looking for a puncture cause. Running over hawthorn thorns or turning with a heavy load in the front loader breaking the bead is about equal in my fleet. Tubes work for either.

As for valve stems, metal is better that rubber especially if you park outside in the summer sun.

A few oz of TireJect off road tends to cure slow leaks, from any source, permanently.

 

[johng@imbertconstruction.]

Well, got done brush mowing, came inside to have a bite to eat, then came back outside to find this. Property isn't that rough nor was I on the tractor. Valve stem is gone. 27x8.50 15 tires. 6 ply. I'm thinking 6 ply is a little light but don't know. I think they're industrial grade.

Where do you all suggest getting tires? I looked these up and find skid steer tires. Advice please. Thanks!View attachment 4110664

I have R4 on my NH 4060.
I try to avoid the Buckthorns but my tires have been punctured. The front loader makes it easy to change I have no answers other than get rid of all the buckthorns. My JD 345 gets flattened regularly.(Turf tires) Just the way it is, so I deal with it. Also, IO found the Auto tire store cannot fix the tires. I needed to go to a shop used to dealing with skid loader tires and Ag tires. No problem for them.

 

[TractorGunn]

The first time a front tire goes flat for any reason on one of my tractors, I put in a tube after looking for a puncture cause. Running over hawthorn thorns or turning with a heavy load in the front loader breaking the bead is about equal in my fleet. Tubes work for either.

As for valve stems, metal is better that rubber especially if you park outside in the summer sun.

I don't know that with the condition of this tire that I'd trust a tube in it.