Blame game

[crusty 1]

watch out the big oil companies have started the old blame game and I,ll bet its going to lead to tax payer involvement for the gulf clean upDave

 

[Mousefield]

I have watched this ongoing event on the news, sad that people lost their lives on the oil rig.
Sure lots of oil still coming out every day and there seems to be no end in sight. :ashamed:
Don't they already have army people on the shore and the Coast Guard on the water, they are paid by the taxpayer. Sounds like this could be a real disaster for the environment and many business that rely on water transportation, fishing and tourism to name a few.

 

[crusty 1]

you got it mousefield,one huge messDave

 

[rekees4300]

BP will soon be designated "too big to fail" and we all know what comes next.

 

[crusty 1]

BP will soon be designated "too big to fail" and we all know what comes next.

after watching the hearings today thats what were going to be in for.I too feel bad lives were lost and the already strechted too thin military is asked to now pull this duty.Let the oil companies hire some of our out of work people to aid in the clean up.The blame has to rest at the feet of those that caused this not the tax payer again.Let them spend some of thier huge profits.

 

[Jaylegger]

I'm surprised at the reporting of the cap solution that failed. You'd think this thing was the size of air craft carrier or something, considering the scope of the problem that particular solution looked very rinky dink and rather pathetic to me. Billions and billions of dollars in profits thanks to you and me and they can't seem to take the time and incur the nominal expense to ensure a fail safe plan is in place. Where are the other oil companies with their seemingly ever increasing and record breaking billions of dollars in profits, are they trying to help at all or do they feel doing such would be incriminating by guilt of association therefore are prevented from contributing to the solution. I am absolutely amazed that tried and true strategies are not the norm for this type blow out, just a bunch of excuses.

Average American industry is being squeezed to death from a safety stand-point (the cost of which is the true cause of jobs going overseas imo) and the guys who can most afford to maximize implementing safety measures from a personnel and environmental standpoint and potentially offer the greatest risk are, seemingly, allowed to operate willy nilly in such an important area requiring the utmost diligence in prevention.

 

[mjarrels]

All they need to do is ask for a chiefs mess to fix the problem... Problem will be fixed in two days.

mark

 

[MossRoad]

watch out the big oil companies have started the old blame game and I,ll bet its going to lead to tax payer involvement for the gulf clean upDave

In this post you started
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/related-topics/171689-prc.html
you want jobs to stay in the U.S.

Well, here's oil production jobs in the U.S. Which way you want it?
Did you even hear what they think caused the explosion?
Did you here that BP was contracting out the work on the rig? The work was being done by the operating procedures of the drilling company, not BP.
BP has already stated that it was BPs oil and responsibility and they will pick up the cleanup tab, but they did not cause the explosion.

 

[crusty 1]

In this post you started
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/related-topics/171689-prc.html
you want jobs to stay in the U.S.

Well, here's oil production jobs in the U.S. Which way you want it?
Did you even hear what they think caused the explosion?
Did you here that BP was contracting out the work on the rig? The work was being done by the operating procedures of the drilling company, not BP.
BP has already stated that it was BPs oil and responsibility and they will pick up the cleanup tab, but they did not cause the explosion.

I did hear it but they also said when pressed they didn,t know how much cost they would pick up,not looking to get political or under anyones skin just pointing out that the tax payers may be in for more bailout money.

 

[Mousefield]

In this post you started
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/related-topics/171689-prc.html
you want jobs to stay in the U.S.

Well, here's oil production jobs in the U.S. Which way you want it?
Did you even hear what they think caused the explosion?
Did you here that BP was contracting out the work on the rig? The work was being done by the operating procedures of the drilling company, not BP.
BP has already stated that it was BPs oil and responsibility and they will pick up the cleanup tab, but they did not cause the explosion.

So it was a contractor they hired to drill for their oil?

 

[/pine]

If you really want to play the blame game...
....If BP had not been granted an exemption from a major environemental impact study for the 'Deep Horizon' platform/well by the Obama administration...perhaps the Gulf of Mexico would not be turning into what may very well become the worst man made environmental disaster ever on the planet..

washingtonpost.com

 

[CDsdad]

So it was a contractor they hired to drill for their oil?

Yes. And with only 1 exception I know of in the Gulf of Mexico, the Shell Auger platform on which Shell actually owns the rig, all oil companies contract rigs to drill their wells. It's the same overseas with few excpetions. And the Shell Auger rig is run by contract personel.

I know about a dozen of the guys that were on the rig. Two worked for the same company I work for, in the same position I hold, and both are gone. I used to work side-by-side with one of them. My wife's first cousin was there. A guy that has a kid on my son's ball team was there. A guy I graduated high school with was there. Others from my hometown, including one of the deceased were there.

The blame will be passed around as it is any time money is involved. Ultimately, I think it will come down to equipment failure. Even if the procedures used were at fault, they were procedures outlined beforehand by BP and approved by the MMS. No oil company arbitrarily just drills, completes, or abandons a well without MMS approval. I have seen MMS tell operators (oil companies) that they can't use the procedures in the oil company's drilling or completion programs.

This is a tragedy, both human and ecological. We work hard here in the Gulf to send everybody home safe and to not harm the environment.

Remember the families of those who didn't go home. I know of one family that has a 2 1/2 year old and his mother is 8 1/2 months pregnant and Daddy will never come home. Another family has grandkids on the way that will never meet their grandfather. There are 9 other families in the same situation.

But yes, the responsible parties will play the blame game.

What I know comes from over 16 years experience in the Gulf of Mexico. Thousands of these wells have been safely drilled and completed, and in many cases recompleted or abandoned, with no harm to anyone or anything.

I know this spill is a terrible environmental tragedy, and the media sensationalizes the congressional hearings and monetary and ecological damage done by it due to its location, but the industry as a whole should not be viewed as unsafe. Good people died trying to do the right thing.

Please remember the families that lost loved ones.

 

[tulenutn2o]

Energy industry(specifically oil companies) are the only business I know of, that pass any and all increased costs DIRECTLY to consumers. They set their profits, dividends, and if they are not up to snuff, we pay through the nose. Then when we conserve, and their profits go down, we pay again.

 

[tallyho8]

What upsets me is that we have been told over the years that this scenario would be prevented by the blowout protector. There are thousands of wells with thousands of blowout protectors and we finally tried one out in real time and it didn't work.

Should this be a signal that most of the other thousands of blowout protectors will not work in emergencies?

We need the oil and we need the jobs and we need to know that our fail-safe devices will work when needed.

 

[955er]

This whole thing is just real bad, no matter how you cut it. Say what you want, but it isn't even the lead story on the nightly news.

I bet that will change if and when this starts washing up, on, say, sparkling Clearwater beach.

 

[rekees4300]

If you really want to play the blame game...
....If BP had not been granted an exemption from a major environemental impact study for the 'Deep Horizon' platform/well by the Obama administration...perhaps the Gulf of Mexico would not be turning into what may very well become the worst man made environmental disaster ever on the planet..

washingtonpost.com

Let's not overlook the fact that former Vice President Dick Cheney recommended the exemption through his power as chair of President Bush's Energy Task Force.

 

[CDsdad]

What upsets me is that we have been told over the years that this scenario would be prevented by the blowout protector. There are thousands of wells with thousands of blowout protectors and we finally tried one out in real time and it didn't work.

Should this be a signal that most of the other thousands of blowout protectors will not work in emergencies?

We need the oil and we need the jobs and we need to know that our fail-safe devices will work when needed.

If one red tractor breaks down is that a signal that thousands of other red tractors will? What about all the ones that have functioned without incident to date?

BOPs or blow out preventers are tested every 14 days during drilling and completion operations. Occasionally exemptions are given, but rarely. An exemption in most cases is only good for 48-72 hours. More commonly BOPs are tested more often than 14 days because it fits better into operations. For example, testing bops while out of the hole for a bit trip because the BOP test is due within 36 hours and drilling will take longer than 36 hours.

And if anyone thinks this is the first time a set of BOPs have been tried in real time, guess what, you're wrong. I've seen BOPs function in real time dozens of times. I'd be dead if they didn't. I've had to evacuate 1 rig in all my time in the Gulf. The BOPs held. The casing below it failed.

A subsea BOP, which is what the Deepwater Horizon had, is not a simple piece of equipment. It is not new technology, though. This wasn't the first kick ever taken by the Horizon. It was however the first BOP failure, if indeed they failed. Probability says the BOPs failed, but anything is possible.

NO fail-safe device will work 100% of the time. Fail-safe devices are designed, made and operated by humans. Only 1 human has ever been perfect. And there have been a lot more humans in history than fail-safe devices.

 

[2manyrocks]

It's been a few years since any politicians/presidents of this country fought a war. .

We've got a bunch of career politicians is what we have.

I like the quote from Edward R. Murrow, too.