Biting black flies

   / Biting black flies #32  
Hi Dave:
Do Tell! I like eating Blueberries. But I did not know that black flies were pollinators of the plant. Not quite sure that I believe that, got do sum research on that. I know I don't like blackflies! The linjk you have posted is real. The site belongs to a guy that is using it to sell his whacky kitsch. More power to him, I say!

Take care... and eat Blue Berries every day... BTW, how does a blackfly do a pollination, Dave?
 
   / Biting black flies #33  
Hi Dave:
Do Tell! I like eating Blueberries. But I did not know that black flies were pollinators of the plant. Not quite sure that I believe that, got do sum research on that. I know I don't like blackflies! The linjk you have posted is real. The site belongs to a guy that is using it to sell his whacky kitsch. More power to him, I say!

Take care... and eat Blue Berries every day... BTW, how does a blackfly do a pollination, Dave?

I am a blueberry fan too. How do they pollinate? I dunno. Maybe they sit on a blossom waiting for their next victim? Go bite some critter then land on a different blossom? :laughing:

Black flies are said to feed on nectar. If that is true, they couldn't help but pollinate what they feed on.
 
   / Biting black flies #34  
Dave, I dunno what they eat besides blood. They hatch in water..and in a about a month they are dead. I haven't looked the technicalities up yet on Google, so I dunno much about them, They show up in the spring and disappear about mid-june around here. The don't like hot dry weather. I have seen the bastids way far out on a glassy calm lake, sorta like they can land on water. Hard to avoid them here, even in the city, and they can bite darn fast when the land on your skin. They make me so itchey, so fast. Scratch till I bleed, after a bite.:grumpy:
 
   / Biting black flies #35  
Hey Dave1949:

You and I have discussed blackfly pollination of Blueberries...which I questioned.
So off I went to do my research on Google.
There is little consensus about the pollination of blueberries by blackflies amongst learned opinion. Some say yes, some say nay: yea-sayers relate folklore and conjecture supporting their opinions; nay-sayers relate to actual studies and experiments. A definitive opinion is not there on either side.
Here are some facts gained through accredited research that can be gleaned from Google in about twenty hours of reading:
1. A blueberry (sweet, low bush type) requires 14 grains of pollen to be pollinated for best fruit set. That is a big load for a blackfly to carry
2. A blackfly (110 species in Canada) eats plant nectar for energy and blood for egg formation. Both sexes require nectar, only females require blood for egg laying in clean water.
3. Blueberry blossoms yield pollen when the blossom is stimulated by the precise frequency of the wings of a bumble bee.
4. Blackflies do visit blueberries for nectar, but evade the pollen-producing pistils of the blossom by crawling around them and then sucking the nectar from the base of the flower.
5.Blackflies are not so constructed as to catch or carry 14 grains of pollen (too small) from plant to plant.
6. Commercial blueberry producers rent both honeybees and bumblebees to get best fruit yields, even where black flies are abundant
7. Blueberries are rhizomes, spreading by underground roots, not so much by seeds in the berry. Blue berry fields of hundreds of acres are possible from a single plant, and that is usual in wild berry fields.
8. Blueberries are self pollinating, by wind-blown pollen. Self pollinated fruit is late, small, and not so sweet as is that pollinated by bees.
9.Blueberries are also effectively cross pollinated by moths, bigger flies, ladybugs, etc, etc. BUT NOT by blackflies.
10. Growing experiments, using exclusion nets and such, in patches of sequestered berry plants show that cross-pollination rates are not affected by blackflies. but are very much affected by bees, et al.

The list goes on and on, until my eyes burn. My conclusion: Blackflies are capable of cross pollinating blueberries, yes...but that is NOT how the best fruitset yields originate. It is my opinion, based upon deduction (from the list above) that the major pollination of good fruitset berries results from bumble bees, which buzz-shake pollen loose from flower pistils, and wild honey bees, moths, butterflies (to) carry pollen around. And that the notion of blackfly importance to blue berry production is just folklore, albeit somewhat logical. Blackflies abound where berries grow, There are a lotta blueberry blossoms, and a lotta blackflies. Both occur in the same seasons, and in the same places. Sheer coincidence?//Maybe, but not a scientifically sound conclusion. Nope. Cross pollination is done by other kinds of bugs, lots of them.

I think blackfly larvae are good food for trout and other fresh fast water fish species. If so, we see a laudable purpose in their existence. BUT blackflies are both a pest and a threat to humans.
The bite of a female blackfly (males do not bite and cannot) carries a virus that causes river blindness,
anaphylactic shock...and so on.

Are they important to blueberries? Very dubiously, if at all. But the blackfly does discourage some human blueberry pickers, but encourages trout anglers

Oh yes...DEET insect repellant is not effective against blackflies. No kidding! Nothing is. That is why we call them awful names and wear nets.

Bush fever is a real consequence of many blackfly bites..and people die from it in the tundra areas of Canada...Doctors call it septicemia (blood poisoning) I call it death by itching.

End (finally) I hev run outa big words! Do I earn a pat on the back, or a kick in the butt... huh.

Jix:D
 
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   / Biting black flies #36  
Jix, I think you have covered the topic. :) Big pat on the back for you. 110 species of black flies? Who knew? One is enough. :laughing:

I'll go with your informed opinion; they feed trout and are good for nothing else.
 
   / Biting black flies #37  
Dave1949:
I appreciate your feed back. I thought that, since I had questioned the idea of blackfly pollination of blueberries, I owed a reason for that contrary opinion. Another reason became apparent as I researched GOOGLE and that was WHY are there so many blackflies..and why are they so ephemeral (here today and gone tomorrow). I learned that Blacflies life cycle is one egg laying, from one blackfly amounts to a six-hundered fold increase in numbers of larvae. The female blackfly lays only once in its brief life as an adult (one month) When it dies, the larval stage takes one year to pupate into an adult before it can bite. Each batch of eggs produces about 300 female and about 300 male flies, which all hat6ch at the same general time (dependant upon water temperature. Both sexes of flies immediately seek nectar from flowers (PRIMARILY from wild blueberries) and so males and females breed near or upon blueberries (wild blueberries, or other early spring blossoms, such as waxberries, etc.) They find their thrill on blueberry hill, please excuse my humor, but people do not, unless they like itchey sex liasons. We can see therefrom, that Fats Domino was misinformed. Ha-ha.

So, black flies need blueberries, but blueberries do not need blackflies. Just kike we humans.

Interestingly, black fly larvae live upon bacteria and they are quite large compared to the adult fly. about twenty times or so. They attach themselves to rocks by glueing their tail end to rocks in fast waters, feeding with fanlike mouth parts from the aquatic bacteria, like coral does. That is why some people get river blindness from being bitten.

Trout and other fish (minnows) eat the larvae when it is quite large, in the early spring, and just before the larvae pupate. Which why good trout fishing times coincide with swarms of blackflies, and maybe why trout favor small dark dry flies as a bait, in some waters. Trout also eat mosquito larve, dragonfly nymphs etc. Large trout favor minnows, however. There aint much meat on a blackfly larva.
There, that about covers what I have learned. Except one thing: Blackflies are attracted to the carbon dioxide in the exhaled breath of living mammals, and by the secreted scent of our skin, from sweat. And by dark coloured clothing. They love human sweat, but hate smokey scent and greasey skin.

Blackflies are not active after dark or on cold days, so, dress like a drag queen, grease up, don't breathe and smoke like a chimney, stay way from blueberries except on cold nights. Don't waste your money on DEET repellant. Tape your sleeves and pant cuffs, wear a headnet under your taped collar and tuck in your shirt. You will get only a few bites that way. Now try to have fun in such garb.

Or stay in the house and Drink lots of water (mixed with scotch):drink:

All except for one unsolved mystery: Why do some persons never get bitten by black flies....

That's is enuff!
 
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   / Biting black flies #38  
Dave1949:
I appreciate your feed back. I thought that, since I had questioned the idea of blackfly pollination of blueberries, I owed a reason for that contrary opinion. Another reason became apparent as I researched GOOGLE and that was WHY are there so many blackflies..and why are they so ephemeral (here today and gone tomorrow). I learned that Blacflies life cycle is one egg laying, from one blackfly amounts to a six-hundered fold increase in numbers of larvae. The female blackfly lays only once in its brief life as an adult (one month) When it dies, the larval stage takes one year to pupate into an adult before it can bite. Each batch of eggs produces about 300 female and about 300 male flies, which all hat6ch at the same general time (dependant upon water temperature. Both sexes of flies immediately seek nectar from flowers (PRIMARILY from wild blueberries) and so males and females breed near or upon blueberries (wild blueberries, or other early spring blossoms, such as waxberries, etc.) They find their thrill on blueberry hill, please excuse my humor, but people do not, unless they like itchey sex liasons. We can see therefrom, that Fats Domino was misinformed. Ha-ha.

So, black flies need blueberries, but blueberries do not need blackflies. Just kike we humans.
I never realised that. It could also explain why the blackflies are so fierce at my garden spot; it's adjacent to a big blueberry field.

Interestingly, black fly larvae live upon bacteria and they are quite large compared to the adult fly. about twenty times or so. They attach themselves to rocks by glueing their tail end to rocks in fast waters, feeding with fanlike mouth parts from the aquatic bacteria, like coral does. That is why some people get river blindness from being bitten.

Trout and other fish (minnows) eat the larvae when it is quite large, in the early spring, and just before the larvae pupate. Which why good trout fishing times coincide with swarms of blackflies, and maybe why trout favor small dark dry flies as a bait, in some waters. Trout also eat mosquito larve, dragonfly nymphs etc. Large trout favor minnows, however. There aint much meat on a blackfly larva.
There, that about covers what I have learned. Except one thing: Blackflies are attracted to the carbon dioxide in the exhaled breath of living mammals, and by the secreted scent of our skin, from sweat. And by dark coloured clothing. They love human sweat, but hate smokey scent and greasey skin.

Blackflies are not active after dark or on cold days, so, dress like a drag queen, grease up, don't breathe and smoke like a chimney, stay way from blueberries except on cold nights. Don't waste your money on DEET repellant. Tape your sleeves and pant cuffs, wear a headnet under your taped collar and tuck in your shirt. You will get only a few bites that way. Now try to have fun in such garb.

Or stay in the house and Drink lots of water (mixed with scotch):drink:

All except for one unsolved mystery: Why do some persons never get bitten by black flies....

That's is enuff!

Diet may have something to do with the last; some people believe that eating garlic regularly will repel them. Conversely, years ago an American Indian told me that eating foods with a lot of sugar really attracts them.
 
   / Biting black flies #39  
Biting black flies? I prefer swatting them with a rolled up newspaper, but if biting them works for you, that's great. :)

But seriously, I use the blue solo cup with tangle trap / tangle foot method, and it works great with deer flies. I bungee one to each side mirror, and trap 30 to 50 a day, just driving to the barn and back multiple times. A side note, they seem to be more attracted to darker cars. A white car doesn't get nearly as many hits.
 
   / Biting black flies #40  
7 year old granddaughter humor...........


Why did the fly never land on the computer?...................He was afraid of the world wide web.
 

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