Birth Control ... Whats your thoughts?

[rasimmo]

I was kinda joking. That is why I put the little smiley face on the end. I do not like the fact that people are reproducing with the idea that I, as a tax payer, should be footing the bill. If you had read the post I put in a few lower than that one it might explain why I have such a strong opinion about this matter. People everywhere having children they do not want, can't take care of, and expect the system to provide for, and I being a christian man, with a solid marriage, and the ability to provide a great home can't have any. It just kinda ticks me off.

I don't think we should put in place **** type laws, but some limit to the madness would be nice. Maybe there should be a limit to the assistance.

I understand some people fall on hard times, and need some help. There are people though, who are living on my nickel for life.

Sorry if i offended anyone.

 

[MossRoad]

I was kinda joking. That is why I put the little smiley face on the end. I do not like the fact that people are reproducing with the idea that I, as a tax payer, should be footing the bill. If you had read the post I put in a few lower than that one it might explain why I have such a strong opinion about this matter. People everywhere having children they do not want, can't take care of, and expect the system to provide for, and I being a christian man, with a solid marriage, and the ability to provide a great home can't have any. It just kinda ticks me off.

I don't think we should put in place **** type laws, but some limit to the madness would be nice. Maybe there should be a limit to the assistance.

I understand some people fall on hard times, and need some help. There are people though, who are living on my nickel for life.

Sorry if i offended anyone.

Hang in there man. We wanted kids for a long time and lots of 'em, too. We ended up with two wonderful children, knock on wood. Which brings up another point. Having happy, healthy children is kind of a roll of the dice. You can have geniuses or you can have mentally handicapped kids or anything in between through no fault or cause of your own. It just happens. Sure, you can plan, eat well, exercise, etc... and end up with a saint or a criminal. We always took the attitude that we would start with one and see how it went. If the child had major handicaps, we would stop and concentrate on raising that child. If the first one came out O.K., then go for the 2nd, etc... It took 7 years for the first and 5 more for the 2nd. We both had to have surgical procedures to correct some issues and it worked out well. However, we were near the point of adoption both times. There are just loads and loads of children that need parents that want children. Parents that want children... that, my friend, is the key to a good start for a child. You have to want them first.

As for folks that would advocate for mandated birth control... I wish I had a time machine. I would go back in time and give their parents some pamphlets on birth control. :thumbsup:

 

[creekbend]

I was kinda joking. That is why I put the little smiley face on the end. I do not like the fact that people are reproducing with the idea that I, as a tax payer, should be footing the bill. If you had read the post I put in a few lower than that one it might explain why I have such a strong opinion about this matter. People everywhere having children they do not want, can't take care of, and expect the system to provide for, and I being a christian man, with a solid marriage, and the ability to provide a great home can't have any. It just kinda ticks me off.

I don't think we should put in place **** type laws, but some limit to the madness would be nice. Maybe there should be a limit to the assistance.

I understand some people fall on hard times, and need some help. There are people though, who are living on my nickel for life.

Sorry if i offended anyone.

As I previously stated in my PM to you, I understand and my best wishes. One of our children, our son, was born with Down's Syndrome. The obstetrician advised us to commit him to an institution at birth. Well guess what, our son is now 37 years of age and he has become a "Man". Patience is the key. As long as I live and have blood flowing in my body and air circulating in my lungs, I will always take care of him and provide with all the tools he needs to live a productive life. Thanks for listening and stick in there.

 

[creekbend]

Hang in there man. We wanted kids for a long time and lots of 'em, too. We ended up with two wonderful children, knock on wood. Which brings up another point. Having happy, healthy children is kind of a roll of the dice. You can have geniuses or you can have mentally handicapped kids or anything in between through no fault or cause of your own. It just happens. Sure, you can plan, eat well, exercise, etc... and end up with a saint or a criminal. We always took the attitude that we would start with one and see how it went. If the child had major handicaps, we would stop and concentrate on raising that child. If the first one came out O.K., then go for the 2nd, etc... It took 7 years for the first and 5 more for the 2nd. We both had to have surgical procedures to correct some issues and it worked out well. However, we were near the point of adoption both times. There are just loads and loads of children that need parents that want children. Parents that want children... that, my friend, is the key to a good start for a child. You have to want them first.

As for folks that would advocate for mandated birth control... I wish I had a time machine. I would go back in time and give their parents some pamphlets on birth control. :thumbsup:

Well said. One of our best friends had mononucleosis as a teenager and as a result the scar tissue on her fallopian tubes prevents her from having children. There are so many variables that enter the arena, that it is difficult to understand why some people who would truly make good and loving parents have difficulty in conceiving. There are many things in our lives that we will never understand. Hoping everyone has a happy day .

 

[Redneck in training]

You don't need to mandate how many children a family can have. Just make irresponsible behavior expensive. It will take care of it.

 

[bruceha2000]

Educating women and giving them birth control options seems to be the best way to do birth control. Having government not encourage it helps to. If these are done government controls may not be needed.

The problem in the developing world isn't always the women. In fact, I think it is RARELY the women. Birth control is illegal in some countries and even where it is legal, the women have little or no access to reproductive health clinics or information.

Two big factors:
1) Religion - The deity of choice will decide how many children you have. Doing anything to thwart that is blasphemy. And yes, that exists in the 'developed' world as well. As a catholic friend of mine (with 7 kids) once said "It is easier to conceive them than convert them".
2) 'Manly' men. The more kids the more manly you are. Who cares if they are all starving because there isn't enough food?

 

[SPIKER]

All joking aside there will come a time when we will HAVE to do something about population control. last year the wheat harvest in many parts of the northern (grain producers in Russia, China, and much of Europe failed only moderately. Mostly wheat that had issues, and at that it was not a total loss only a 20~30% was damaged still viable as animal feed for most part. this was on top of similar (slightly worse) issues down under in AU grain crops. this spiked corn & wheat prices to all time highs. add an extra billion or so people and we are going to be having real issues.

not sure about the numbers but there is a LOT of humans on the planet that are already eating very little food per day. Look at China how they are 2 children per family (without financial consequences.)

I cant think of the name of the movie now but it is about how the smart people realize that there are needs for population control and only have a few smart kids. the idiots on the other hand breed like flies and over run the world. they can no longer feed themselves all there technology is breaking down ect...

All in all it is probably something to think deeply about.

Mark

 

[Taylortractornut]

The girl that was my wife and mines bridesmaid is milkin the system. She has a kid every time her husband mentions gettin a job. She has weekly trips to the doctor to find something wrong with them. Shes bent on getting one child disability benefits for being mentally handicapped. Hes bright just hasnt had any raising. Now shes saying she wants number 4.

She always complains that her government checks arent enough but her Fibromialga is acting up to. Just happens not to flair up on fishing trips, movies or other fun events lol.

SHe has a sister that is in the same boat but with 4 kids with different names and no education or job but shes found nightly at the bingo hall.

 

[creekbend]

The girl that was my wife and mines bridesmaid is milkin the system. She has a kid every time her husband mentions gettin a job. She has weekly trips to the doctor to find something wrong with them. Shes bent on getting one child disability benefits for being mentally handicapped. Hes bright just hasnt had any raising. Now shes saying she wants number 4.

She always complains that her government checks arent enough but her Fibromialga is acting up to. Just happens not to flair up on fishing trips, movies or other fun events lol.

SHe has a sister that is in the same boat but with 4 kids with different names and no education or job but shes found nightly at the bingo hall.

Now that is surely abuse of the system. It evens focuses on the fringes of fraud. What a shame.

 

[5030]

This would be a good thread to move to the Front Porch forum...I can see it going political and/or religious pretty quickly...

Interesting reading but I'm too old to worry about it.

 

[redlevel]

The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands. Should success be still incomplete, gigantic inevitable famine stalks in the rear, and with one mighty blow levels the population with the food of the world.
Malthus T.R. 1798. An essay on the principle of population

War, Pestilence, Famine. Coming soon to a country near you.

 

[lduren]

Food for thought? From 1907 forward at least 60,000 Americans were sterilized against their will. Most of these forced sterilizations were performed in the 1930's and 1940's but some states such as Virginia continued the practice until the late 1970's. By the early 1930's some 30 states had adapted eugenics laws. The NAZIS formulated and implemented the same system. 400,000 men and women in Germany during this era were forcibly sterilized. 200,000 handicapped people were murdered by the ****'S in their attempt to establish the "Master Race". No one on the face of this planet has the right to tell another person that they can or cannot have offspring. You may not have realized what you previously stated, but it sure sounded that you were in favor of advocating this process and the future implementation of a system similar to this. No one has that right, only the CREATOR.

Amen. I am a little concerned that quite a few people in this thread believe that the earth can not handle more people, and we must have birth control. They can not prove that the earth will be taxed too much, this is what the radical environmentalists say. even if some people are going to do nothing in their lives but live like their only source of food is the government, they still deserve a right to live.

 

[mmurphy]

One way or the other human population will soon be reduced. Either governments will do it (unlikely) or Mother Earth will make the adjustment.

12/21/12 is coming.

 

[rekees4300]

12/21/12 is coming.

Oh yeah I forgot about that and to think I watched that awful movie! If the Mayans were so darn smart then why are they now extinct? Food for thought. Anywho 12/21/12 may well be the "adjustment" date. Time will tell.

 

[Dennisfly]

The news just reported by Monday we will have 7 Billion people on the planet ... my buddy called and asked me when do you think goverment controlled birth control will come into effect?

The government has done such a "good" job with the budget, I hate to think what they would do with birth control. Look at the record of "accomplishment" for Housing and Urban Development, Department of Energy, Department of Education, just to name a few. Wait until there is the Department of Birth Control!

 

[Redbug]

I think if a woman has been on Govt subsistance and has more than 2 kids then the first thing I would recommend are Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. If she does not accept the birth control, then she does not get the free subsistance from the taxpayers. Free things come with a price. I could remark about men and women getting assistance and having to work for the govt to get their check, but that's all I will say...

 

[bstrom]

Birth control? I'm all for it. We need a lot more of it. Most people don't know the first thing about raising kids and don't have any interest in learning about it. That's why we have so many screwed up people in the world. Screw balls producing screwball kids. Doesn't matter what race or nationality.

 

[jinman]

Thats the other side ... the news reported that our water supply is in trouble. Really when one thinks about this .... the possible answer is "mandatory birth control"

I'm certainly on the side of the argument that says the rewards should be for responsible behavior whether that be birth control or sterilization. However, I think we are a long way from running out of food. The delivery system is certainly at fault, but food production seems capable enough.

I also noted this summer that the cities putting water restrictions on watering yards said that much more water is used to keep lawns green than for drinking and cleaning. I guess we see where our priorities are on that topic too.

 

[Professor Marvel]

I am as disgusted as most everyone else sounds with irresponsible people having children. I can not ethically condone the government mandating birth control. In fact I can not ethically condone the government mandating anything. If they touch something they make it worse. I can tell you, however, that I am **** sure tired of paying for the children of irresponsible people. Certainly rewarding them with a monthly stipend for procreating sends the absolute wrong message. But, lets get real. If I expected it to improve I would be a dimwitted daydreamer. Good luck to those of you who try to make common sense work again.

 

[LMan1967]

Why is this thread in Rural Living? -puzzled-