Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2

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As an EV realistic for the past 4.5 years due to EV ownership I found this article interesting.

Waymo like Tesla and others have spent billions of dollars to get the technology to this point of development. Billions more will be spent getting Full Self Driving mainstream in the next two decades.

One can read in this thread how Elon Musk as of yesterday is refocusing Tesla to better take advantage of the robot taxi opportunity that he and many others have been working on for years.

It was the Fall of 2019 that I observed the ICE death spiral was in progress in Norway. A Mercedes-Benz distributorship was talking about a $22 million shortfall in sales primarily due to Tesla's model S and X sales.

It was the testimony from the former Mercedes-Benz customers now driving Teslas that convinced me that the ICE death spiral was in progress in at least one country.

I knew I needed some skin in the game if I was going to learn about and talk about EVs with integrity to my kids.

In 1973 I paid $2150 for a new Datsun 1200 Coupe and have been owning Nissans for the past 50 years. While I had never driven a Leaf I knew Nissan made it.

As my luck runs I got online and found a 2016 Nissan leaf SL St. Louis which is 200 miles away and I took the pickup and drove over there and bought it and the Nissan dealership help me rent a U-Haul and loaded up and I brought it back to Kentucky that night and ran an 120 volt cord to the U-Haul trailer and topped off the Leaf's battery.

I was going to Memphis to look at some used Leafs when I found the one that we now own in St. Louis. They had reduced the price to $18,000 and I had $12,000 cash to go buy a used one. I laid that on the table and finally they came back and they said they couldn't do that but they would go for S13.5K and I could pay the balance with a credit card so we shook hands.

The new battery range was 107 mi and it was already down to 60 miles effective range in a 3-year-old car with 22,000 mi on it. But again, as luck would have it, it triggered a new battery warranty 5 weeks after I bought it. Nissan replaced it with a new 2020 battery with a range of 150 mi. So this old boy was in hog heaven.

11 Jan 2023 my son badgered me until after midnight to order a new Model Y with the 2-inch factory tow package like I was going to pay $66K for my second ever new vehicle.

As luck would have it, Elon Musk cut the price by $12,000 on the next day so the new $7500 rebate would be in play which I claimed yesterday.

I added the FSD option to enable the self driving robot which I have used daily for the last 14 months. It was awesome for cross country interstate driving but sucked for local City driving and country driving until the artificial intelligent version released a couple weeks ago in my case.

I understand why Musk announced the reorganizing of the workforce and management yesterday.

The $99 per month artificial intelligent version of FSD is awesome and there is no reason it will not go full bore sooner than later and we're not talking about 5 or 10 years from now.

If you schedule a test drive in a Tesla today the staff is now required to show you how FSD works and demonstrate it to you.
And they said Tesla doesn't advertise ;) ...... How much you get paid for that ad Gale? Got to protect those Tesla stocks ? ....of course its the same post content you have repeated 30 or 40 times here. Hmmmm
 
   / Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2 #17,472  
And they said Tesla doesn't advertise ;) ...... How much you get paid for that ad Gale? Got to protect those Tesla stocks ? ....of course its the same post content you have repeated 30 or 40 times here. Hmmmm
Thankfully, I do not own any Tesla stock that need protection from the truth. :) Truth is a funny thing. It's kind of like cream sooner or later it finds its way to the top and cast the rest in bad light.
 
   / Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2 #17,474  
As an EV realistic for the past 4.5 years due to EV ownership I found this article interesting.

Waymo like Tesla and others have spent billions of dollars to get the technology to this point of development. Billions more will be spent getting Full Self Driving mainstream in the next two decades.

One can read in this thread how Elon Musk as of yesterday is refocusing Tesla to better take advantage of the robot taxi opportunity that he and many others have been working on for years.

It was the Fall of 2019 that I observed the ICE death spiral was in progress in Norway. A Mercedes-Benz distributorship was talking about a $22 million shortfall in sales primarily due to Tesla's model S and X sales.

It was the testimony from the former Mercedes-Benz customers now driving Teslas that convinced me that the ICE death spiral was in progress in at least one country.

I knew I needed some skin in the game if I was going to learn about and talk about EVs with integrity to my kids.

In 1973 I paid $2150 for a new Datsun 1200 Coupe and have been owning Nissans for the past 50 years. While I had never driven a Leaf I knew Nissan made it.

As my luck runs I got online and found a 2016 Nissan leaf SL St. Louis which is 200 miles away and I took the pickup and drove over there and bought it and the Nissan dealership help me rent a U-Haul and loaded up and I brought it back to Kentucky that night and ran an 120 volt cord to the U-Haul trailer and topped off the Leaf's battery.

I was going to Memphis to look at some used Leafs when I found the one that we now own in St. Louis. They had reduced the price to $18,000 and I had $12,000 cash to go buy a used one. I laid that on the table and finally they came back and they said they couldn't do that but they would go for S13.5K and I could pay the balance with a credit card so we shook hands.

The new battery range was 107 mi and it was already down to 60 miles effective range in a 3-year-old car with 22,000 mi on it. But again, as luck would have it, it triggered a new battery warranty 5 weeks after I bought it. Nissan replaced it with a new 2020 battery with a range of 150 mi. So this old boy was in hog heaven.

11 Jan 2023 my son badgered me until after midnight to order a new Model Y with the 2-inch factory tow package like I was going to pay $66K for my second ever new vehicle.

As luck would have it, Elon Musk cut the price by $12,000 on the next day so the new $7500 rebate would be in play which I claimed yesterday.

I added the FSD option to enable the self driving robot which I have used daily for the last 14 months. It was awesome for cross country interstate driving but sucked for local City driving and country driving until the artificial intelligent version released a couple weeks ago in my case.

I understand why Musk announced the reorganizing of the workforce and management yesterday.

The $99 per month artificial intelligent version of FSD is awesome and there is no reason it will not go full bore sooner than later and we're not talking about 5 or 10 years from now.

If you schedule a test drive in a Tesla today the staff is now required to show you how FSD works and demonstrate it to you.

Ad nauseam 🤮

 
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Thankfully, I do not own any Tesla stock that need protection from the truth. :) Truth is a funny thing. It's kind of like cream sooner or later it finds its way to the top and cast the rest in bad light.
Your right the truth is finally coming out about Musk's exaggerations and lies in regard to $25,000 car, his employee treatment, and his auto pilot liability death court cases .
 
   / Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2 #17,476  

As an EV realistic for the past 4.5 years due to EV ownership I found this article interesting.

Waymo like Tesla and others have spent billions of dollars to get the technology to this point of development. Billions more will be spent getting Full Self Driving mainstream in the next two decades.

One can read in this thread how Elon Musk as of yesterday is refocusing Tesla to better take advantage of the robot taxi opportunity that he and many others have been working on for years.

It was the Fall of 2019 that I observed the ICE death spiral was in progress in Norway. A Mercedes-Benz distributorship was talking about a $22 million shortfall in sales primarily due to Tesla's model S and X sales.

It was the testimony from the former Mercedes-Benz customers now driving Teslas that convinced me that the ICE death spiral was in progress in at least one country.

I knew I needed some skin in the game if I was going to learn about and talk about EVs with integrity to my kids.

In 1973 I paid $2150 for a new Datsun 1200 Coupe and have been owning Nissans for the past 50 years. While I had never driven a Leaf I knew Nissan made it.

As my luck runs I got online and found a 2016 Nissan leaf SL St. Louis which is 200 miles away and I took the pickup and drove over there and bought it and the Nissan dealership help me rent a U-Haul and loaded up and I brought it back to Kentucky that night and ran an 120 volt cord to the U-Haul trailer and topped off the Leaf's battery.

I was going to Memphis to look at some used Leafs when I found the one that we now own in St. Louis. They had reduced the price to $18,000 and I had $12,000 cash to go buy a used one. I laid that on the table and finally they came back and they said they couldn't do that but they would go for S13.5K and I could pay the balance with a credit card so we shook hands.

The new battery range was 107 mi and it was already down to 60 miles effective range in a 3-year-old car with 22,000 mi on it. But again, as luck would have it, it triggered a new battery warranty 5 weeks after I bought it. Nissan replaced it with a new 2020 battery with a range of 150 mi. So this old boy was in hog heaven.

11 Jan 2023 my son badgered me until after midnight to order a new Model Y with the 2-inch factory tow package like I was going to pay $66K for my second ever new vehicle.

As luck would have it, Elon Musk cut the price by $12,000 on the next day so the new $7500 rebate would be in play which I claimed yesterday.

I added the FSD option to enable the self driving robot which I have used daily for the last 14 months. It was awesome for cross country interstate driving but sucked for local City driving and country driving until the artificial intelligent version released a couple weeks ago in my case.

I understand why Musk announced the reorganizing of the workforce and management yesterday.

The $99 per month artificial intelligent version of FSD is awesome and there is no reason it will not go full bore sooner than later and we're not talking about 5 or 10 years from now.

If you schedule a test drive in a Tesla today the staff is now required to show you how FSD works and demonstrate it to you.

I was fortunate to be looking for another EV after Elon lowered the price of the Y significantly. How many other auto mfgs would do that?
I just received in the mail my $2500 EV grant from the state of Texas that I applied for back in Oct of 2023. That makes a total of $10K in fed and state money that has been given to me for buying the Tesla Y!
The more I use FSD the more I can see how useful is the tech especially on long drives. It really takes the stress out of driving in traffic.
I would hope the EV haters on this thread would at least schedule a test drive in a Tesla to see why the Y is the most popular car in the world!
 
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It's hard for me to give too much credit for a car being #1 in the world, when it's sale is also tied to massive tax incentives for the buyer. It barely edged out #2... Which doesn't have a 20% cash give back promotion.

2024 sales numbers will be interesting. As will be #s when the government stops subsidies for buying them.
 
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Uh oh. Musk is mean. Stop the presses. :rolleyes:

When I was laid off from a large mfg company I was brought from my office straight to the plant managers office, offered a severance package and then escorted out of the manufacturing plant. Didn't feel good at all but unfortunately not uncommon.
My good friend was the Senior Vice President as in the number 2 man at one of the “Blue” Health Insurance companies.

A new CEO was hired with broad powers to reorganize.

Friend arrives at work in his company provided new Jeep Grand Cherokee and his garage pass isn’t working…

Security approaches and apologizes and hands my friend a letter which says all senior level managers terminated and entering the premises prohibited.

The letter also went on to say the company car is his to keep, the content of his office professionally packed and delivered to his home that day, his years of service bridged for max retirement benefit, 2 years salary severance and full medical until Medicare…

He knew reorganization was coming but went home the night before without a clue how it would affect him as did the others.

I found it interesting his executive secretary and the other 3 executive secretaries also let go with 1 year severance and healthcare to Medicare age.

The catch was should anyone contest, the offer was off the table.

Another friend was on the board of a health care giant with 65,000 employees… had an office, etc.

In the last day end of his term he enjoyed a very nice retirement luncheon and received an award and proclamation for years of service.

Then he was escorted to his office by security and a mover was waiting to photograph and pack his personal items and escort him out…

He had his own mini cassette dictation machine and at first security thought is was company property but he was able to clear it up…

Even at the top the corp world is just business… maybe more perks but at the end of the day you are still out.

Another friend was out for cancer treatments nearly a year… when she returned her role as secretary to the company President no longer existed and her boss had retired and the new boss eliminated the secretarial position.

She was now in the clerical support and hated it.

She went to management and said this is BS and would fight it tooth and nail saying I know where all the dead bodies are.

They asked what do you want and she said a full year severance pay, healthcare to 65 and a $3,000 vase for years of service… in 24 hours granted with her signing non disclosure legal ease…
 
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Gale, I have a decent understanding about what happened in Norway, and it was due to government interference with the market. At this point, it is apparent the ICE death spiral is decades away in the US...especially if there is a change in administrations in 2024. But even with the current crop of loonies in control in our country, the EV push had become a nudge.

The robotaxi has almost no impact on Americans who live in suburbs or rural America. Musk has to push the concept for marketing pizzaz to shore up the value of Tesla stock. More so now that Tesla has realized the $25k EV will not be possible. Gale, think about that. The EV platform that is supposed to be far less expensive to produce than ICE cannot compete against the slew of $20-22k ICE models out there.

If Tesla cannot meet the $25k goal, it is unlikely anyone (but the Chinese?) will either. For me, it makes the possibility of the recently touted "affordable" Ford EV much less likely.

People like me who are willing to risk $25k on a "puddle jumper" EV for a second car will not spend $40k...even for a Tesla. I will buy a used, three year old Corolla with 30k miles, for $20k that will last another 150k miles and gets 35 mpg.

FSD is one of those nice to have options that is "essential" for a very small market segment. Even at new price of $100/mo, that is 30 gallons of gas - and pays for a month of fuel in a Corolla. It is a non-starter for folks looking for economical transportation. IMO, it will soon be offered "free" on all new Teslas so they can maintain profit margins. It will be smarter than more price cuts.
 
 
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