Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2

[CloverKnollFarms]

I admit... I would maybe have some anxiety after driving to work. Parking in 10F temps, and then coming back 4 days later. A good friend of mine did say that he does see noticeable drain while the car sits idle for 4 days in winter weather. He drives nearly 100 miles each direction, so that matters an awful lot to him

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Interested to see first quarter sales data... As this would likely hurt all auto sectors later in the year.

No soft landing: The US economy is going to fall into recession in the middle of 2024, Citi's chief economist says

"There's this very powerful and seductive narrative around a soft landing and we're just not seeing it in the data."

www.businessinsider.com

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

This will offset fuel savings.

BMW i3 Drivers Hit With $30,000 Repair Bills After Batteries Go Bad

One faulty cell in the battery of a BMW i3 electric car could leave drivers facing repair costs of more than $30,000.

jalopnik.com

 

[DK35vince]

JD Power Dependability Survey Places Tesla Among Worst-Ranked Car Brands In US

J.D. Power, the automotive industry's longtime monitor of quality, included Tesla Inc (NASDAQ: TSLA) for the first time in its annual U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study. What Happened: Tesla didn't have a good showing in its debut. J.D. Power uses consumer survey data to report the number of...

finance.yahoo.com

 

[DK35vince]

Kia Rio?
Couldn't get me to buy Korean junk.

Funny, Kia rates much higher than Tesla in Reliability according to JD Powers (as do most other Mfg.)

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds

 

[sd455dan]

So far I am absolutely pleased with the MYP, but it does have EV traits that are not flexible... When it needs charged, it needs charged. Luckily for me most all of it's use is within a couple hundred mile range and I can charge at 48 amps at home so it makes sense as much as it can for someone that has to many vehicles to begin with.

Range costs less than the Performance you selected, and makes the trip without a charging stop.

On a 140 ish trip in the MYP today well below freezing temps . Doubt We will need to charge until home since we are at half way of the round trip

216 miles round trip. A Tesla Model Y Long Range costs less than the Performance you selected, and makes the trip without a charging stop.

Back from a 144 mile trip.

Started out with 95% charge, pre heated car outside temp was18*F, speeds between 30-78 MPH. We set interior 71* F and arrived home with 35% battery left- so used 60%.
That is with the studded snow tires at 40 PSI. Temperature at home on return 32*F.

320 watt hour to mile down
304 watt hour to mile back

Not Bad, Not bad at all for the MYP energy use charge of ~ $5.00

ps. I may try a longer trip this summer but it may be a Canada trip.
I hear they have lots of Superchargers on their main hiways.
Chance we would need to take a ferry to cross some water.
Will have to look into whether they allow Teslas.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Oil Majors Pursue Projects with $30 per Barrel Breakeven | OilPrice.com

It's good to see the majors are getting ready for ICE death spiral event.

 

[shooterdon]

Oil Majors Pursue Projects with $30 per Barrel Breakeven | OilPrice.com

It's good to see the majors are getting ready for ICE death spiral event.

If oil companies can breakeven at a lower cost/barrel how does that fuel the ICE death spiral? Lower cost should yield lower prices in a normal market not influenced by government decrees and manipulation.

I know FSD is an important factor in your vehicle choice, but for most people it boils down to $/mile and ease of use. If fuel gets down to the $2.25 range, (back when he must not be mentioned was in the White House), a 30 mpg car costs $750/year for fuel for 10k miles. A Tesla uses about 25kWh/100 miles, and with an average cost of $.16 kWh, it costs $400/yr.

Most people are not going to deal with the hassle of an EV to save $30/mo. The added cost of insurance and depreciation on EV's eat up that $30/month saving...or surpass it!

Cheaper fuel adds to the EV death spiral.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

If oil companies can breakeven at a lower cost/barrel how does that fuel the ICE death spiral? Lower cost should yield lower prices in a normal market not influenced by government decrees and manipulation.

I know FSD is an important factor in your vehicle choice, but for most people it boils down to $/mile and ease of use. If fuel gets down to the $2.25 range, (back when he must not be mentioned was in the White House), a 30 mpg car costs $750/year for fuel for 10k miles. A Tesla uses about 25kWh/100 miles, and with an average cost of $.16 kWh, it costs $400/yr.

Most people are not going to deal with the hassle of an EV to save $30/mo. The added cost of insurance and depreciation on EV's eat up thar $30/month saving...or surpass it!

Cheaper fuel adds to the EV death spiral.

And to acquire an EV with decent range, will cost you.

 

[Fixastuff]

but for most people it boils down to $/mile and ease of use.

I know everyone on TBN will only buy something after making charts, doing opportunity cost analysis, reading engineering diagrams, visiting the factory to make sure they’re not wasting money, etc.

Most people I actually know make whatever justification they want for a car purchase but they’re really just buying the car they want.