Battery based vehicles of today and tomorrow pt 2

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Although many employers offer charging as a free service to employees,
One of my buddies is an engineer at the Nissan tech center in Farmington Hills, Michigan and he drives a Nissan EV back and forth to work. Nissan provides free charging for their staff so he has no fuel (electricity) costs whatsoever. One of the 'perks'. It ain't a Tesla however. :giggle:
 
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Okay, in an effort to get this back on the rails, who seems most committed to their EV lineup?

Tesla
Ford
Volvo
Hyundai/Kia

GM?
VW?
BMW?

Pretty far behind the pack
Toyota?
Chrysler?

(Is Toyota betting on fuel cells?)
You forgot Nissan....lol I'd say Fords is, in as much as they are devoting a large portion of their renovated Central Station in Corktown to the development of alternate fuel vehicles.

Personally, I don't believe that is a good strategy but I don't work there. Hydrogen fuel cells have their own issues. Mainly fueling issues.
 
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I'm not into conspiracies but I've seen so many similar things in 70 years. Things happen in steps: first something is free...then it's cheap...then the masses go for it hook line & sinker. Then it's all over, no more free anything except no turning back.
I'm not against it, everything has it's place.
Choices. Whatever floats your boat.
 
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But you live in a region where it never gets cold, and you can wash it at home year round. Try doing that in February in New England...the very time of year you'd want to wash it more often.

Yeah, at today's prices saving a dime per gallon with car wash is kind of a "why bother?" thing, but 50 years ago that was a 10-15% discount. Come to think of it, I don't see many gas station/car wash combos anymore...it's usually one or the other (and gas station is almost always combined with a convenience store).
I snicker when I'm filling up my service truck and the promp asks if I want a car wash

I think to myself.... If I try to take this truck through the car wash, it would probably total out the car wash

I always hit the coin operated do it yourself carwashes in the winter when I lived in Vermont.

Figured the automatic car washes with the brushes would strip the paint off a vehicle in the winter with the amount of salt and sand that was caked on them

They opened up a pretty decent automatic one down the road from me. Usually run the truck through it once a month and get the works. It even shines the rims
 
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avoid being in accidents with an EV.


Firefighters warn: Electric-car fires require 10 times more water to put out, up to 10,000 gallons​

As electric vehicles continue to be pushed on the nation by the ***** administration, certain facts are coming to light about them, and this time we are hearing warnings from the nation's firefighters.
As the number of electric car owners grows, so too are the problems peculiar to EV ownership. From lack of charging stations, to unexpected expenses for repairs and now to water waste.
You read that right. Water waste.

According to News Nation firemen are warning that electric car fires are far more problematic than fires that engulf gas-powered vehicles.

Lt. Tanner Morgan with the Grand Prairie Fire Department near Dallas told News Nation that fire departments are not exactly ready to deal with EVs.

"We’re at that critical point where the consumer-driven world we live in is pushing these vehicles out and the fire department is playing catch up," he said.

Lt. Morgan went on to say that a gas-powered car typically takes less than 1,000 gallons of water to douse it when it catches on fire. But EVs are a bigger problem, he said. When an electric vehicle catches on fire, firemen are faced with a "thermal runaway."

Morgan added that the lithium-ion batteries in an EV fuel a fire to a much higher degree than gasoline. And firefighters are having to learn that they need different tactics to fight an EV fire.

Fremont Fire Department Battalion Chief Gary Ashley said, "The protocol is to start using copious amounts of water, up to 3,000 gallons, so that’s what we started doing."

Unfortunately, 3,000 gallons wasn't enough for a recent EV fire in Sacramento. News Nation reported that firefighters on that case didn't start getting the fire under control until 4,500 gallons were sprayed onto the flames. Authorities said that even when firefighters sprayed water directly on the battery compartment, the fire kept reigniting.

Even Tesla warned about the huge amount of water needed to douse an EV fire.

"Tesla’s own emergency response guide for the Model S warns that battery fires can require between 3,000 to 8,000 gallons of water to fully extinguish the flames," News Nations wrote. So, obviously, 10,000 gallons is not out of the question.

Officials are also warning rural fire departments -- in areas where fire hydrants are not available -- could face very dangerous conditions with EV fires, especially when many fire trucks cannot hold that much water.

"In rural areas, especially on interstates where there are no hydrants, this is going to create a logistical issue for emergency response agencies as they’re going to have to shuttle the water up that they need," the National Volunteer Fire Council's Tom Miller said.

Still, some advocates say EV fires are far less common than fires in other types of vehicles.

News Nation added that AutoInsuranceEZ finds that there were only 25 EV fires for every 100,000 electric vehicles sold. But there are more than 1,500 fires per 100,000 gas-powered vehicles sold.

Fires, of course, are only one heightened issue that electric vehicle owners are faced with. There are many new issues that car owners did not expect when becoming an EV owner.

President Joe ***** and his administration sell EVs as the miracle cure to the woes of rising gas prices. But what the administration doesn't note is that EVs have issues of their own.

There are much higher vehicle registration fees -- sometimes two and three times higher. And speaking of taxes, many states are considering per-mile taxes for EVs. And then there are the plans to place surcharges on homes with EV charging stations.

Then there is the problem with finding parts and service. Car dealers may be selling more EVs, but their service departments are not staffed with the needed number of trained mechanics and service personnel, nor do they have the needed stockpile of parts in stock to fix what has broken.

And this isn't even to mention the environmental issues and high costs with the massive batteries that make these cars go.
These are just some of the new troubles intrinsic to owning an electric vehicle. And we will continue learning about the pitfalls of these cars as more of them hit the road.

This article appeared originally on The Western Journal.
It seems like they would want to go after an EV fire similar to a petroleum fire. Hit it with foam to snuff out the oxygen and keep the chemicals from spreading.

But I'm probably missing something with these new types of batteries.
 
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The tipping point will be if/when fuel prices drop & when people start paying high electric bills, having to buy batteries, locate & wait at a charging station, or get stranded while on vacation.
I won't get stranded. I'll have 10 gallons of gas and my genny in the trunk thank you very much
 
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It seems like they would want to go after an EV fire similar to a petroleum fire. Hit it with foam to snuff out the oxygen and keep the chemicals from spreading.

But I'm probably missing something with these new types of batteries.
These batteries go into a a thermal event meaning, the intensity will keep increasing until the fuel of them are fully spent.
 
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I won't get stranded. I'll have 10 gallons of gas and my genny in the trunk thank you very much
And they would have a few weed-trimmer batteries to power their heat, led lights and cell phone to call roadside assistance. LOL
 
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And they would have a few weed-trimmer batteries to power their heat, led lights and cell phone to call roadside assistance. LOL
I would be screwed. Temps were 103 the past couple days. I would run out of juice trying to keep the AC going.
 
 
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