Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,181  
I would really enjoy switching my fields from hay to soybeans.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,182  
Fast food like Mcd and Burger king might not be so bad, very strict food regulations and meat and much else is bought in the country, Mcd even runs TV ads showing the farms they buy ingredients from, and 2016;Mcd was on the top list for best places to work so..
Gale.... you are indulgent, but apologies..... I didn't mean to drift this far....

Ag - will send you a PM, on this ^ topic.....

Rgds, D.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,183  
Now you’re dreaming again :)
The F-150 Lightning pickup is a racing truck. It’s not really built for work in the way Americans use a pickup for work.
How do Americans use a pickup?

What makes a pickup that's 100% electric.... up to 300 miles highway
able to tow a 10,000 payload...... chargable at home on solar.......4 wheel independent traction control a race truck?

I havn't any real data on this but by my observation I would guess 1 in a 100 pickups on the road are used as a working truck.

Ford knows this....
In fact for those of you who need a little more of a working truck the New Ford Electric F250 is coming in 2023

Having a electric truck or vehicle we can charge on our own by solar will not burden our failing electric grid at all.
Impractical? not really. We are seeing a lot more homes and businesses adding full house solar daily. It actually has ability to feed back excess solar to the grid (net metering).

How many ( or better what percent of ) vehicles drive over 100 miles a day?
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,184  
I drive 110-120 miles round trip for work daily. I need to carry 40-80 gallons of diesel fuel, about 800 pounds of tools, and my butt. I fully plan on an electric for my next truck.
$6 worth of electricity vs $25 of gas sounds good to me.

If ya need to tow 12,000 lbs 500 miles every day, an electric truck is not for you. Yet. They’ll make one eventually that can do that. For now, they’ll make what they can sell a ton of. Light duty crew cab trucks.

I don’t understand the mindset of those who think their freedoms are being stripped away. Do they still sell new HD trucks? Yep. Gas and diesel. They will five years from now. So, hypothetically, they mandate ‘no new gas or diesel HD trucks after 2040’. So? Buy a 2039 model. Have it rebuilt when it needs it.

If battery tech continues to advance as it has the last 20 years, you’ll see electric trucks in the future that outperform current gas or diesel trucks.

And yes, we can switch from gas to electric without the grid melting. I’m looking into a solar array for my home. Sell the excess during the day when I don’t need it, but the grid draws. Charge my truck at night when the grid has excess capacity.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,185  
Rebel Dad and Cat385B both make good points. I see most F150s being used as cars (Rams and Chevies too). Strictly commuting/shopping vehicles with occasional light hauling. And I also know many whose truck works for a living. I'm not sure that Cat's electric truck will haul 500 lbs of diesel and 800 lbs of tools as well as him 150 miles on one charge. Maybe with an extended range battery. Only the future will tell.
 
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I drive 110-120 miles round trip for work daily. I need to carry 40-80 gallons of diesel fuel, about 800 pounds of tools, and my butt. I fully plan on an electric for my next truck.
$6 worth of electricity vs $25 of gas sounds good to me.

If ya need to tow 12,000 lbs 500 miles every day, an electric truck is not for you. Yet. They’ll make one eventually that can do that. For now, they’ll make what they can sell a ton of. Light duty crew cab trucks.

I don’t understand the mindset of those who think their freedoms are being stripped away. Do they still sell new HD trucks? Yep. Gas and diesel. They will five years from now. So, hypothetically, they mandate ‘no new gas or diesel HD trucks after 2040’. So? Buy a 2039 model. Have it rebuilt when it needs it.

If battery tech continues to advance as it has the last 20 years, you’ll see electric trucks in the future that outperform current gas or diesel trucks.

And yes, we can switch from gas to electric without the grid melting. I’m looking into a solar array for my home. Sell the excess during the day when I don’t need it, but the grid draws. Charge my truck at night when the grid has excess capacity.
That is part of the problem. Folks that don't recognize that government mandates about what we can no longer purchase with our own money are in fact trampling our rights.

It's not about "fear" or any other liberal double talk tripe. It's about the government (at any level) mandating from above what we are "allowed" to purchase with our own money. These are not items that the benign maternal government of all goodness are giving to us for free. These are durable goods that we are making decisions on spending our own money (what we haven't already turned over to the government in taxes) on.

When steam power, and then gas/diesel power first started taking over farming, transportation, etc, the government did not Mandate that we all stopped using horses. It was a case by case, consumer/citizen by individual citizen choice that was made based on what fit the specific consumer's needs and economics. My paternal great grandfather continued to farm with horses until after the end of WWII. It was his choice, his decision. It took until then for him to decide that a gas tractor was now in his own best interest to meet both his work needs, as well has his individual financial needs. Before that, he always considered tractors "too expensive". He didn't "fear" tractors. He decided he didn't want to pay what was to him, and exorbitant price for one.

These are the "rights" we are troubled with losing. And those of us that are "troubled" by this, are more troubled that it seems the large majority of people are so eager to give those rights away. Once rights are given up voluntarily, it is extremely difficult to get them back.

Of course the day will come when electric (or other) powered equipment will make more sense to most of the masses, and they will voluntarily "vote" with their wallets and go that way. But the technology, the infrastructure, and the cost to the individual will have to make sense to them to do so.

Commanding it to be so, by government orders, is not the way to accomplish that.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,187  
That is part of the problem. Folks that don't recognize that government mandates about what we can no longer purchase with our own money are in fact trampling our rights.
That sounds good but all laws are mandates. The fact that you’re used to them and accept them is the only difference. The regulations mandating the kind of vehicle you can buy and drive on a road today are as thick as the Bible. The government mandates mundane things like the kinds of plants you cannot eat (cannabis) and the kinds of cigars you cannot buy (Cubans). The government mandates that you do not even have the right to end your own life for medical reasons, a decency we extend to the lowliest dog. The government mandates what poisons you can dump in a river, and EV mandates are simply saying you can no longer put certain poisons into the air that all humans on this planet must breath in order to live, poisons found to kill millions worldwide each year.

I’m not necessarily saying that’s the right way or the wrong way in this scenario, just that saying it’s wrong because the government shouldn’t be mandating things is not the best argument.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,188  
EV mandates are simply saying you can no longer put certain poisons into the air that all humans on this planet must breath in order to live, poisons found to kill millions worldwide each year.
Except that isn't at all true.

If the mandates were "zero tailpipe pollutants by 20XX" or "net-zero tailpipe CO2 by 20XX", then they'd be in agreement with what you say. But that isn't the case today.

EV mandates say EV or nothing. Even if something else would fit the use case better, like a fuel cell vehicle. Even if EVs cannot fulfill the need at all.

Anti-gas and anti-diesel mandates rule out things like plug-in hybrids, even if they would pollute less overall than a pure EV.

Anti-ICE mandates rule out cases where all pollutants are captured or where the levels don't matter.

Where EVs work they are great, but it is physically impossible that they will ever work everywhere ICEs do today. Choosing technological winners by fiat unavoidably makes some activities whose value outweighs the environmental and social costs impossible.
 
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There was an interesting segment on US Farm Report this morning about aviation biofuel. They just did the first commercial flight fueled by 100% jet biofuel. Replacing dino juice with biofuel will make big changes in the ag market, with big economic implications for rural people. First, we will need to add 30 million soy bean acres by 2025 to meet the crush demand. They had 2050 projections too, about having to double US soybean production, but that's fantasy. What they did point out is that there is not even a theoretical way that commercial flights can run on batteries. When they head over the pole from Seattle to Copenhagen, they will need a tank of fuel.

They also dismissed Musk's electric semi. In our society, diesel can be replaced but not eliminated.

They also pointed out that to meet 2025 demand we will need 30 crush facilities. We currently have 12. Big oil is investing, and several are in development. As we eliminate gasoline, we will also eliminate ethanol blending. They didn't mention E95.

This brought up some interesting thoughts. First, what do they do with the beans after the oil is squeezed out? That's a LOT of protein. Fish food? Float it down the Mississippi and ship it to China? That's assuming we're still talking to the Chinese in 2025. Chicken feed? The world is always short on protein.

Another thing is that soybeans fix their own nitrogen, so don't need ammonia. That's 30 million acres that won't need ammonia, and 30 million acres less nitrate runoff into waterways.

It was interesting to me that this is not pie in the sky speculation, it is stuff that is happening right now. The crush plants are under construction. I love the Agricultural press. They actually report reality.
That's interesting since they just removed 13,000 acres of soybean fields from production here for solar panels.
 
   / Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow. #6,190  
batteries are evolving significantly compared to 20 years ago, so is usage.
chainsaws, solar generators and storage batteries. solar panels get greater in performance and significant price drops.

Talk from the major car manufactures of 100% ev starting in 5 years.

How about the Norwegian Yara Birkeland. 100% electric container ship.
 
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