Band Dehorning

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Have you done any band dehorning? We always dehorned when the animal is young. But! We recently acquired a buck. We had to rope him because he was never handled, didn't even have a name. He will eat from our hand now but we haven't petted or washed him yet. Wife wants him dehorned. I have seen pictures of band dehorning and read a bit. If you have done this yourself I'd like to get a few pointers. Sure wish I could give him a sedative,it would be easier to clip the hair round the horn and roll on the band if he were at rest.
 

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Have you done any band dehorning? We always dehorning when the animal is young. But! We recently acquired a buck. We had to rope him because he was never handled didn't even have a name. He will eat from our hand now but we haven't petted or washed him yet. Wife wants him dehorned. I have seen pictures of band dehorning and read a bit. If you have done this yourself I'ed like to get a few pointers. Sure wish I could give him a sedative,it would be easer to clip the hair round the horn and roll on the band if he were at rest.

I had a Vet come out one time and dehorn one of our cows...It was awful...it made me sick ..there was blood pouring out of the stubs of the horns...never again. and the vet who is still is business said he would never do another one...You should have heard the cow beller...it was awful..I don't know if banding is any better but do be sure to check it out. Much pain involved..
 
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Can you band horns that size? Never used banding on horns but have for castrating calves. Seemed to work well also.

Roy
 
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I have seen pictures. The bands are "castrating band". In about one month the horn sluffs off. I have never done it or seen it in person. I would like to be in contact with a first hander when I do it.
If I can figure out how I'll post a Picture.
 
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I had a Vet come out one time and dehorn one of our cows...It was awful...it made me sick ..there was blood pouring out of the stubs of the horns...never again. and the vet who is still is business said he would never do another one...You should have heard the cow beller...it was awful..I don't know if banding is any better but do be sure to check it out. Much pain involved..

That is exactly the reason people are using the bands now.

Apparently the horn dies and heals through under the horn, which falls off after a month or two.

No blood, and no pain, just some discomfort/annoyance. I've never done it first hand though, only been told about it.

I am considering doing it though as we have one calf that missed getting dehorned last year and now is too old, and another that has 1 horn growing as the dehorning scoop took too small a ring when it was done (not by us, we bought her as a 2 year old heifer)
 
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As you have read we have a buck maybe 2 years old we are wanting to do.
There is some blood if the horn is knocked off too soon and it is usually planned when fly season is over, unless you can keep a close watch. Please keep in touch so we can combine what we learn.
You are going into winter there in Queensland good time to do it.
 
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That is exactly the reason people are using the bands now.

Apparently the horn dies and heals through under the horn, which falls off after a month or two.

No blood, and no pain, just some discomfort/annoyance. I've never done it first hand though, only been told about it.

I am considering doing it though as we have one calf that missed getting dehorned last year and now is too old, and another that has 1 horn growing as the dehorning scoop took too small a ring when it was done (not by us, we bought her as a 2 year old heifer)

When I had our two and three year old heiffers dehorned it wasn't any big deal. Very little blood if done right. Flies are deffinately an issue though as with cows the sinus cavity will be open until it heals over. Avoid the rainy season and top feeders too. Our vet grew up catching and dehorning cattle on the range. He makes it look easy. I do it with a burner on calves at 1-2 days old. Now that I'm getting out of the Dexters and into Highlands though, no more dehorning.

Never heard of banding horns.
 
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Can you band horns that size? Never used banding on horns but have for castrating calves. Seemed to work well also.

Roy

Roy it does sound like it would work better on the bottom side vs. the top side does it not.

As to the Vet post I saw the same thing when I was like 5 years old. That was a bloody mess with it flying everywhere.
 
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I,ve seen pictures of horn being sawed off then carterized. I don't want to do that or have it done that way. The sinus will be open on goats too. I don't look forward to it but it seems the only avenue open. I'll have to order a band spreader and bands. Maybe I'll do that now, we are in the middle of a snow storm at this moment, so I'm inside feeding the wood stove.
 
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Thanks for taking the time to post that. That is the one that has the best pictures. I have it on My Favorites.
I ordered the expanding tool and the bands as well as the spray. I'm not looking forward to it. Been talking to wifey as to how we will do it, that is how to secure him while working on the horns. I don't think that rack will fit through our stanchion, maybe that would be best to use if he will fit.
 

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Might be worth it to just make a stanchion that he will fit into.
Or better, make a holding crate that will be adjustable and put gentle pressure on the goat from sides and rear. Allowing for hog-tying legs so he can't struggle and hurt himself. A blindfold may also make the shaving and band-setting less strenuous on the goat. Give yourselves as much help as possible, and save the goat's hide at the same time. :D

If a crate is made, just take a few days ahead and feed the goat in the crate, so he gets used to the idea of going in there. Trickery works sometimes. :)
 
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I know that is a good thing to do. I've been trying to avoid doing it using the excuse that the wood is under the snow but it would make it easier. Even with the two of us he isn't going to be easy to handle.
Wife's idea is to make a yoke and nail it across the door posts in the barn, with his front feet slightly up so he can't get in a power position while we work.
 
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OK....if you must do this, then you need to be prepared, completely.
I run cattle and occasionally need to restrain a several hundred lb calf.

Simplest, least expensive solution is to jam it into a very tight space....think parallel or almost parallel panels that can be squeezed together to control body movements side to side. Slide pipe/boards behind animal so it cannot back up. Helps if side panels are made of cattle panels which have squares every 5 inches or so so you have many locations to choose from.

In your case, the animal is sufficiently gentle so you can get it into a confined space and control it. I'd get it into the parallel chute, close off the front (tie panels together, block it in all the way to the front of the chute with boards behind, drop a rope over the horns to assist in head control by wrapping the rope around something and tightening it (this avoids the hand rope burns from trying to just hold on to the rope).

Now, the SECRET...

Use a nose tong to fully control the head. Put tongs on the nose and bend head back over the shoulder and maintain tension on it.

Animal can't go forward because chute front is closed off.

Animal can't use front feet to hit you because you are shielded by the chute sides. Goats use their front feet as weapons.

Animal can't go back because it is blocked behind the rear legs.

Head can't move because it is bent back over the shoulder and in tension.
You have a back up system because rope is attached to the horns.

Now, do your business.

I have personally used this method to dehorn calves and seen a 2000 lb bull restrained this way as well.

As always when working with animals, start off working as calmly as possible to get the animal into position before starting restraint, then close off front escape route and rear escape route at almost same time. rope horns, then put tongs into nose and restrain head. Feeding the animal for several days in the planned restraint area before performing the operation is a good idea... allows you to fully plan your actions without alarming the animal.

Good luck.... if you don't know what nose tongs are, let me know....after a rope they are the next least expensive, most effective restraint method available.....I don't recommend their constant use, but for rare use to safely restrain an animal for serious work, they cannot be beat.

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According to my wife the Goat MOMMA, DOC, and local person to call on short of the vet:

Its CRUEL, INHUMANE, Painful, prone to infection, takes 6 weeks, like amputating a limb with a tourniquet, totally frowned upon by goat raiser associations, and if you must do it, do it at birth or shortly after by using the dis-budder................

When one of ours happens to break a horn it is taken to the slaughter house immediately. Just my thoughts.....do as you need to do.........God bless......Dennis
 

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