Backhoe valve block (not sure of it's correct name)

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Richard

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Figured I'd start new thread Regardless... machine is a JCB 1550-B

Backhoe will drift to the passenger side of machine. Seems to drift more slowly now that the swing cylinders are rebuilt.

One stabilizer drifts down over time. Might take 2-days to go from full vertical to touching the ground. Perhaps a bit less.

Here's the setup to my question....

There is a valve block on the backhoe end that the wobble sticks are attached to.

I'm guessing that when all cylinders are attached to the machine and all the wobble sticks are in neutral, there is no pressure on any respective hose/cylinder (not counting the supply hoses)

Today, the machine sits with the hoses to the boom cylinder dangling. What if I turn the machine on and let it idle....or perhaps even rev it up some and watch those hoses.

Seems to me that as long as the wobble sticks are in neutral, there should be no active pressure/volume on the respective hose so I should not have any noticeable hydraulic fluid coming out of the hose. (I've seen how powerful the stream can be when you apply the lever)

If instead, I get a steady stream of fluid, that will suggest (confirm?) that the gaskets for that respective valve in the valve block need rebuilt?

Machine is 30 years old. I've owned it for about 12/15 of those years. Probably not unreasonable that they need some attention. I'm trying to figure out if there is a backyard test I can put them through to verify.

Though I've not touched them, a couple years ago, I did purchase what is supposed to be all the replacement gaskets for the valve block. After seeing one of the simple drawings of the schematic, it doesn't look like they are rocket science. I'm not inherently intimidated on digging into them to see what is in there.

That attitude sometimes, gets me into trouble!

So, would the "test" above have any validity and, if they need rebuilt, is that something a reasonably competent backyard guy can do or do you need special tools?
 
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I'm not sure what your valve body looks like I've pulled than apart on older hoes from the bottom and cleaned them up full of rust and crap some have an O ring then back together and problem solved. I may or may not be able to give some input if I see a pic.
 
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I have a Kubota R510 wheel loader and a cushman 6150 hydraulic wing mower. Both have stumped me with the same question. I removed a broken stabalizer hose and figured that since I am not activating the lever, no problem, right, well wrong. Fluid gushed out and not just some leakage!

On my mower, I removed the hoses to a leaking deck cylinder. Same thing.

I clearly don't understand how these systems work. Seems, maybe, both sides of the hydraulic circuit are under pressure when not being activated. That's all I can think of.

Now, I make sure I have the proper O ring faced plugs to close off hoses when getting cylinders serviced.


I would like to have this confirmed.
 
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Not a great picture but might show you what you want to see.
 

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Richard I haven't taken one apart for 20 yrs. or more and it looked different but I'm sure the principal will be the same. Determine by the hose & lever a swing cylinder valve. Carefully take the bottom cap off there may be a spring in it at the bottom. It may be full of sludge. There should be a piston inside and to take it out there should be a cotter pin & pin the lever attaches to to work the valve, remove this and the piston may be pushed out the bottom. Clean everything up and replace O rings and all should be well . Take a few pics. as you go so we all can see how this works :).
 
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Question....

If the stabilizer drifts down, if the hoe drifts to one side (and not the other side) would that be a sign of one of the valves inside being messed up?

I have a schematic. It shows a valve in there.....sort of like a mushroom shaped item (how's that for a technical description)

I have what is supposed to be all the seals to replace....but I'm guessing the drift is caused by something else not sealing.

Background: When I first got this machine over 10 years ago, one thing I did early on was replace all filters. When I replaced the hydraulic filter, there were metal bits on the magnet. Other than the drift, virtually everything runs fine so either the shavings were part of normal wear or something has chipped off. Given the drift issue, I'm wondering if it is/was one of those valves.

I know I won't know until I actually look. Just seems a likely culpret to me. Dealer sent me several pages which gave me the part numbers and a schematic.

Once I get the cylinder back on, I guess I just need to dig into it one day and see what happens. If I recall, I probably didn't order any valves when I got the seals because they cost a small fortune. (I'd rather just fix everything & do it right if I'm going to do anything in there)
 
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One thing Richard I don't recommend taking the valve body out and taking it all apart. Just pull one valve out at a time clean it up replace the seals or O rings and put it back in then do the next. Pulling a valve body & taking apart is easy but lining everything up getting it back together is a real bear. Once you have a valve piston out (btw I don't know the terminology) you'll see it self explanatory what needs to be done.
 
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Richard, it sounds to me like you need to search your manual for any check valves in the hoe control - it's possible that SOME of those metal filings never made it into the filter, and may have stuck on the seat of the particular check valves that are associated with your various drift problems - your "mushroom" may indeed be one of those, my Case has several so I'd imagine your JCB would too... Steve
 
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Bill, good call on the one-at-a-time thing - not all valves are made the same way, tolerances are typically "lapped in" for good fit, etc, so it is a VERY bad idea to swap spools from valve to valve - Also, the "piston" is called a spool (probably because it kinda looks like a spool of thread?)...Steve
 
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Richard, another thought - if your manual has a troubleshooting section, it may help aim you in the right direction - the one for my Case is actually somewhat useful, unlike typical "consumer" manuals that read

"Check the AC power cord - is it plugged in? If so, and you still can't get it to work, call 1-800-WOLDJA LIKE FRIES WID DAT" :rolleyes:...Steve
 

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