B7610 vs B7800 vs TYM T273 for hilly work

[gelarson]

I'm considering my 1st tractor and cant decide what to buy. I have a couple acres of wooded hillside and 6 acres of relatively flat wooded/grass mix that I want to do general landscaping/cleanup/path building work on. I like the size/stability of the 7610 but worry about the loader lift capacity and weight for moving/boxblading logs/material. The 7800 is taller/longer and feels more tippy just sitting on it on the lot but hard to tell if it is in reality. The 7610 rear wheels can be moved out to the same width as the fixed width 7800 so seems more stable. In addition to the larger weight/loader capacity and much higher loader lift height, I can get the 7800 with a skid steer quick detach style bucket that can be swapped for pallet forks and grapple type front implements which I really like for possible future use. Anybody have any experience with these issues? Any input would be appreciated.

The only other tractor I'm considering is one of the new 27hp TYM K2 which seems to be the perfect mix of weight/size/lift capacities/skid steer bucket. Of course, it isnt a kubota, which is the big problem.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

I am not familiar with the capacities of the TYM, but when comparing any 2 brands of tractors, make very sure you compare the same capacities.

Kubota typically gives their capacities for their loaders at 19.7" in front of the pivot point (500mm). That means they are telling you how much stuff (rock, mulch, sand, etc) you can ACTUALLY lift inside the bucket.

Many of the other brands give their capacities for their loaders at the "pivot point" and that is a very misleading, and in my opinion, basically a dishonest capacity. The "pivot point" capacity is typically about 30% higher than if you measure the VERY SAME loader at the 500mm/19.7" point. So if you don't look at the correct numbers then you may think you are getting a lot more capacity than you actually are getting!!!

By the way, the exact same thing is true with 3pt lifts. Kubota, New Holland, Massey Ferguson, and a couple others rate their 3pt capacities at 24" behind the 'ball eyes' on their 3pt hitch. And if you think about it, the weight of your box blade, or rear blade is held about 24" behind the ball eyes. Some companies measure their 3pt capacity at the ball eyes, and that inflates the real world capacity by about 30%.

So be very very careful with your numbers!

If you need to lift 1000# and you buy a tractor based on the brochure that says it will lift 1000# I would sure be pretty upset to find out after the tractor was delivered that it only lifted about 700# in the real world.

 

[MDM]

Some of te TYM's have Kubota engines. I think the one you mention does have a Kubota engine, but I'm too lazy to look it up.

 

[IslandTractor]

As Bob points out, Kubota is more conservative in their rating numbers than many of the other companies but even taking that into account Kioti, TYM and Mahindra tend to have stronger loaders in the size range you are looking at (20 to 30hp). For example, using pivot pin comparisons (so we don't need to multiply everything by 0.7 as Bob likes to do ). Kubota's published FEL capacities at PP for the LA352 is 925lbs and the LA402 is 1060lbs. Those loaders are for the 7610 and 7800 respectively. My CK20 is a 21hp machine and has a KL120 loader with the equivalent PP figure of 1074lbs. (Breakout forces are not so different however). I haven't checked the TYM or Mahindra recently but I recall they too have stronger loaders than the B series equivalents from Kubota. Most of those tractors are heavier too than their Kubota B series horsepower equivalents. I think that generally the Kubota B's are optomized for lawn type work while the others are heavier and would best the Kubotas once you leave the lawn. They are really more like a hypothetical 20-27 hp L series Kubotas might have been built. The second tier brands in this size range are all very fine tractors so you might want to broaden your horizons a bit if FEL capacity and tractor weight are issues.

 

[Timber]

Well I have the B7800 and I truly do love this tractor. I do have to tell you about the quick tach system though. It isn't what you think for the 302 loader. It is true you can get the loader bucket and a pallet carriage set up for it but it in not compatible with skid steer. It is also more expensive to put together then the kubota that is compatible with skid steer. Now the 3030 I am not sure if that loader is skid steer compatible you will have to ask your dealer. Now that said the 4 cylinder 30 horse power plant is wonderful. It’s quiet and delivers plenty of power. The tractor size is perfect for maneuvering through the woods and around and in the barn. The 3030 is the same tractor but the loaded unit. I didn't like the 3030 but it had more to do with its physical appearance and personal taste. Now I use fel forks as much as I wanted to go with the quick tach system I decided to go a cheaper route. So far I am very pleased with my forks and I think they are more convenient then the quick tach but for visibility and lift cape ability the quick tach is a better system. Regardless your counter wt is very important to the stability of your tractor. Good luck

 

[IslandTractor]

Rather than getting the Kubota quicktach you could always get an aftermarket universal quick attach adapter for the Kubota (or other tractor) loader from a company like ATI. Those will allow you to use universal skid steer attachments.

 

[Aussie Bloke]

Hi All: New Here.
I owned a TYM T273 for a year - the worst purchase I have ever made: I now own a Kubota B3300 SU HST and one of the best purchases ever made:
The TYM was just a headache (in Australia we call this a Lemon) from day 1 here is the history.
20 hours kept on blowing fuses for the PTO and fuel pump - kept changing fuses until they lasted 30 seconds.
22 hours Auto Electrician completely checked found a short in the loom
24 hours - same as 20 hours. Different Auto Electrician reworked some wiring
26 hours - started to violently buck and jump (seriously dangerous) a national recall on the model and needed 4 x 8 inch bolts in the chassis - basically the motor came away from the chassis - just what you need hey
30 hours same as 20 hours
TYM Australia send a new wiring harness and all electrics re done
34 hours - you guessed it! same as 20 hours
TYM start with the "you must have done something" I start getting angry and demand a new tractor - Ha Ha no way
Local tractor guy did some "cowboy" electrics
45 hours - Overheating
New Radiator
Between 45 and 60 hours - repeat all of the above and new stabilizer bolts.
Simply hated the thing and TYM simply ignored all attempts under the warrantee (the 5 years warrantee is a joke too) Local dealer stopped selling them as to other customers had the same issues as me. Turns out the 4 way bucket is simply too heavy for the Chassis and this causes all sorts of problems. Bit the Bullet took a loss and traded is for half of what it cost me on a ripper Kubota - DO NOT BUY A TYM T273 - Korean rubbish!

Good Onya Mate
Aussie Bloke

 

[Motractr]

I have both the 7610 and the 7800. I have rolled the 7610 on it's side using forks on the slightest of uneven ground. The 7800 seems more stable to me. Definitely load the tires on these smaller models whatever you do.

 

[crbr]

I mow with a B7800 on a considerable slope as part of my yard (the neighbors say I am nuts for getting on the slope) but I grew up from a kid always mowing on hillsides, so that has never bothered me. The 7800 is as stable as I would ever expect. I have loaded tires and feel that contributes to its stability and I have never had any issues with it's stability. The 30HP does all I need with the mid-mount mower and the 402 loader.

I would not want any smaller model for my preferences.

Very satisfied with the B7800 even though they are no longer in production.


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