b7510 vs JD 4110

TresCrows · May 7, 2004

"Some thing that has not been said so far is that the Kubota is built and manufactured by Kubota, whereas the Deere is outsourced and painted green to look like a Deere. "

Nope, I said it first /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

All these tractors of every color have to much plastic. I would prefer fiberglass over plastic and in some cases over metal, also repairable, strong and long lasting. Plastic is not repairable when it does break and sooner or later it will.

Another observation on this and similar other threads of which there have been many, JD dealers lie about Kubotas even on the JD comparison website. That is dishonest and without honor. I suspect that some of these threads like this one are started by JD dealers who are sore at Kubota. J

mathteacher · May 7, 2004

I was in the same situation except I was looking at the 4115 vs. the 7610. I spent about three months looking at the deere and then looking at the kubota. The one advantage that I did like with the deere is that the brake pedal was on the opposite side to the foward and reverse pedals. But in the end I was sold on the 7610 not because I thought that the deere was any worse then the kubota. It all boiled down to a $4500 dollar differece. I just could not see that green paint costing so much.
My dad has a deere and I like it a lot. But he got a good, no great deal, on it and if I had got the kind of deal he got I would own a deere. They are both good tractors and you will enjoy either one. But in the end it still will boil down to which one YOU prefer. No one else.
Right now I own a B7610 and it does everything that I need and want it to "right" now. ..... oh and by the way when the boss (wife) first saw my tractor all she said was "It is orange!"

Donald B.

Cliff_Johns · May 7, 2004

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(1) We have a key shutoff they don't.
(2) We have an auto bleed system they don't.
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What do they mean by a key shutoff? I would think all tractors turn off when you turn off the key, so I can't imagine what this is.

Cliff

Bird · May 7, 2004

Cliff, on lots of diesel machines, there is an electric solenoid that shuts off the fuel when the key is turned off, but on some others, the key simply turns off the electrical system, so there is a separate fuel shut-off to kill the engine. My 1995 Kubota B7100 was one example of that. You pushed the throttle lever forward to increase engine speed, pulled it back to a detent to idle, then pulled harder, back past that detent to kill the engine; made no difference whether the key was on or off. Remember, gasoline engines have spark plugs to ignite the fuel in the cylinders, so when you turn the key off; i.e., shut off the electrical system, you kill the engine, but diesels are compression combustion; no spark plug, no electrical power to ignite the fuel, so you have to shut off the fuel, either manually or with a solenoid to kill the engine.

TresCrows · May 7, 2004

"no electrical power to ignite the fuel, so you have to shut off the fuel, either manually or with a solenoid to kill the engine."

Yes, exactly and both of my 'botas have that feature so again the JD team are not telling the truth. Not telling the truth is a lie. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. I am sick of the 'bota bashing, way beyond sick of it and I don't like the continual insinuation that Kubota owners are stupid or unpatrotic either /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif. I am ready to take on all comers, bring it on /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. J

Burk · May 7, 2004

Correct! My new tractor is not even delivered and I am getting a lot of static about it being Japanese. What they don't realize there's not a tractor made in the US under 100hp, I don't care what color it is.

BillG_in_TX · May 7, 2004

( there's not a tractor made in the US under 100hp )

I think the JD 5005 series (40-48 PTO HP) are built in Georgia with JD engines.

CTyler · May 7, 2004

I have a Bota but JD makes a good tractor as well. I don't think I'd buy a JD from the dealer you talked to. Find another dealer if yous heart is set on Green. If thier not up front about things now whats going to happen later???

BotaGuy · May 7, 2004

I can't see any logical advantage to buying a John Deere...unless you are a John Deere fan. When you compare the tractors side by side...the Kubotas...nearly right up the line offer better value for the money. I am not opposed to the green machines as the Deere dealer is about 1/4 mile down the road, and is my immediate neighbor. BUT, they don't offer a machine like the BX23.

Cliff_Johns · May 7, 2004

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Yes, exactly and both of my 'botas have that feature so again the JD team are not telling the truth. Not telling the truth is a lie. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. I am sick of the 'bota bashing, way beyond sick of it and I don't like the continual insinuation that Kubota owners are stupid or unpatrotic either /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif. I am ready to take on all comers, bring it on /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif. J )

I do apologise if I've said anything incorrect or misleading about Kubotas. I guess I don't understand the history being brought up here. I'm not sure who the JD team is, but I thought what someone upthread related was what one salesman said to them when asking about comparisons with a Kubota model.

When I went to the Kubota, Deere and NH dealers, they were all surprisingly uninformed about the competition and instead of saying they didn't know, they were quite willing to say what they heard sometime in the past.

I think the lesson to be learned from this is that you get Kubota information from the Kubota dealer : NH information from NH etc. Always check out what another dealer says unless they are showing you the current brochure. And vis-versa.

I was not Kubota bashing on purpose. I would not do that. I had a difficult time deciding between the Kubota and the Deere myself.

Cliff

TresCrows · May 7, 2004

"One more thing, John Deere has a book comparing their tractors to others. Stop by and ask for one or at least the page for the 7500.vs.4110. Read it over, then take it to the Kubota dealer and let him/her give you the Kubota side of the story."

Sorry, I was not putting the evil eye on you /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. The book you mention is likely dishonest just as is quite a bit of the info stated in the initial post in this thread, where you think that came from? Similar misinformation was on their website unless it has been corrected. I do feel that the JD 4110 does have one thing the 7510 does not have--PC. The 2410 has PC. I got a great deal on my 2410. I could live with out it and I would not pay 2,000 dollars plus to get it I don't think but it is a nice feature. I would also not spend my money at a dealer that tried to trick me with dishonest misinformation, I don't care if it came out of a "book" or not. Many of these type threads are started by JD dealers I think, could be wrong here. If so, so be it. Good luck. J

TresCrows · May 7, 2004

"I found the treadle thing really bizzare to drive with and not the least bit intuitive. I found that on a New Holland I felt cramped with my feet not out far enough in front of me. When I sat on and drove the Deere, it felt right for me."

How would be steping on a left pedal to go forward and stepping on a right pedal to go back more easy than stepping on a forward pedal to go forward and a rear pedal to go backwards /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. I am afraid you are not going to win that one. I do like their brake arrangement better. Never said the Japanese built outsourced JDs were junk, they are an excellent Japanese Yanamar tractor /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif, I like the 'botas better and as you can see I don't give much ground. J

andre · May 7, 2004

The last thing that happen today was that the dealer call me today and told me he could do a JD4010 for $12000 with loader what do you guys think? Went to test drive the Kubota 7510 again and the 4110 gear drive. Not bad but not what I want.

Cliff_Johns · May 8, 2004

( How would be steping on a left pedal to go forward and stepping on a right pedal to go back more easy than stepping on a forward pedal to go forward and a rear pedal to go backwards )

To each his own. I'm just not used to using my heel to drive, that's all. Both methods have their detractors and their supporters. I don't think either is wrong, just different. Just like English Setters and German Short Hair Pointers, their both great dogs, but they're different.

Cliff

TresCrows · May 8, 2004

( The last thing that happen today was that the dealer call me today and told me he could do a JD4010 for $12000 with loader what do you guys think? Went to test drive the Kubota 7510 again and the 4110 gear drive. Not bad but not what I want. )

Andre, you want an excuse to buy the JD and have been fishing for it in this thread. I would not get a gear drive in this size tractor for the uses you and most guys need this type tractor for. I tell you what, go buy the JD, live long and prosper /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif. J

andre · May 8, 2004

Actually I leaning towards the 7510 I made them an offer today.

TresCrows · May 9, 2004

In all sincerity, this orange vs green vs blue vs orange etc vs red is really much tadoo over nothing. Frankly, I am sure I would be happy with a green tractor. They all start and run and lift things in the bucket and mow grass and pull doodads. Beyond that it is just the one that makes you feel right. Sometimes the cheapest deal is not always the best deal if it is not the one that makes you happy in the end. That explains why there are people here with hardly more than 3 acres and own M class machines /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif etc. Which one makes you feel like a super hero when you sit in the seat? That is the one you want be it whatever color. I will be interested in what you finally choose and happy for you whatever it is /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. J

dpm2340 · May 9, 2004

I was going through the same thing this time last year. Exact same two models. Bought the 4110 with loader and 60" deck. If you're interested in a loader do get a demonstration of both, the way you attach them and unhook them. I do have some complaints with the deere. The pedal is hard to push with the trans. in high. I mow two hilly acres and it may be a little underpowered, wont go up the hill in high. The kubota is quieter and smoother running. The Deere makes my hands vibrate for an hour after mowing(like a weed whacker). I kinda wish I would have bought the 24 hp kubota.

andre · May 9, 2004

Thats funny because when I test drove both I taught that the 4110 was more quiet. What do you think of the 4010 will it be under power?

TresCrows · May 9, 2004

I was not going to post on this thread again but I see your talking about the 4010. Make sure it has full size tires on it. Some of the ones I have seen did not. The front tire in the R4 type was very narrow.
Quietness, run them at PTO spped and also run them at say 1800/2000 which is typical FEL operating speed and compare, my 'botas are very quiet and smooth.
As to ease of loader removal the 'botas have an excellent system and it is super easy to remove/attach. I can take it off and reinstall it in under 5 minutes--on AND off-- if I had a mind to. Not only that, there are no reports of the loader becoming unattached on Kubotas as there has been on JDs. In fairness both systems seem well engineered and secure /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif.
Just in a few miles of my home there are several Ford 8Ns, several new Boomers, a whole bunch of Kubotas (3 in my 12 house neighborhood alone). I don't see any newer JD products. There is also a Kioti and several of the JD 970 (?) units. There are two large JD dealerships here so I am sure they are selling tractors, I guess none up this way for whatever reason /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif. I also see that the highway department has several new Kubotas and a number of construction companies here run some Kubota equipment and other types as well of course. J