Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it?

   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #21  
Asphaltic concrete can be placed over Portland cement concrete. Problems with the base will reflect through the asphalt. Two inch overlay should be minimum thickness. In Ohio I have not seen petromat installed in the past 20 years
 
   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #22  
A little subject drift...There is a very good technique to make asphalt paving much more aesthetic and almost look like concrete...

Immediately after the hot asphalt has been rolled out and it is still warm...(trinity) white portland cement is spread dry and hard broomed into the finished asphalt surface...all excess is removed after the surface and all the tiny voids are filled with the dry white portland...the exposed cement will begin to cure and bond immediately...once it's all cured you have to get really close to see that it's not concrete...it is incredibly durable and long lasting...

This technique does not leave the surface extremely smooth like concrete can be made...it gives it a little smoother typical asphalt texture...(that roughens with age) but the color of concrete.

I was just visiting a place where this treatment was done to a large "h" shaped circular driveway and the above process was done 55 years ago and it was still mostly white/greyish even being that old.
 
   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #23  
Concrete expands and contracts from the temps. Hot days, it gets bigger, cold days, it gets smaller. This is why porches are poured separate from the house pad when building a house. The house stays constant, so there is minimal movement, while the porch changes.

On roads, their has to be some sort of expansion joint between each section of concrete. Not just cutting it, that just hides the cracks. It has to have space to get bigger in summer. The amount of movement is so small that it's almost impossible to measure it, but it is happening and if it's not planned for, you will have failure.

Asphalt also moves according to the outside temperatures, but it's elastic enough that you do not have to provide expansion joints to it.

Since they both move differently, it's extremely challenging to put one on top of the other. Where I live, about ten years ago, they redid Interstate 20 with concrete as a base and then paved over it. This was in the news and there was a lot of talk about how expensive this was, and if it was just TXDOT wasting money, or if it would save money in the long term. Since then, they have repaved the Interstate, so it was a failure in saving money. Overall, I never notice any issues when driving on it, so maybe it's just TXDOT spending money to get more in their budget every year? I don't really know.

For a driveway, home owner, I would be very cautious of mixing the two. You really need to do one or the other. I know a lot of people think concrete is better, but it really has to be done right in every regard or it will fail. Asphalt is used in almost every road all over the world for a reason. It's not just that it's cheaper, but that it's a very effective road surface. The problem home owners have is with installing it. Was the base properly compacted? Is it stable and does water run away from it? Then the biggest problem is in the mix. Most driveways are done with a cheap mix that is done at the plant. City, County and State projects all have a certain mix that must be done for their roads. This is more money. Next is in how thick it's applied. Most homeowners only get two inches, and if the guy doing it isn't honest, it might not even be two inches. I was told that you really have to have four inches for it to last. When done properly, with the better mix of materials, it will come closer to the cost of concrete, but will easily outlast concrete.
 
   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #24  
Off topic maybe but we recently did a road with crushed concrete. Not to be confused with washout. Crushed concrete is repurposed from cured concrete. So far I am very pleased with it. We had an exceptionally wet year and it held up well. Some divits and holes formed where I filled low spots with fill dirt but were easily raked smooth with my landscape rake.

Years ago when I-10 was built they did it with concrete. As the sections settled and the highway felt more like driving a boat the surfaced over with asphalt.
 
   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #25  
I've been using crushed concrete to fill my pot holes and it's a lot better then crushed limestone. I'm hoping to go over my entire driveway with it.
 
   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #26  
I have asphalt (we call it blacktop here) and love it for it's winter performance. I plow it and get some black streaks showing, and while I am at work on a 5ーF day those black streaks collect thermal energy from the sun and melt off and dry the entire thing.


Yeah, that. I just do it with a shovel though. Not enough driveway or need to drive to mess with plowing. Break it open in a few places and let the Sun go to work. Amazing in that you can almost watch it clear itself even at 20 degrees.
 
   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #27  
Asphalt is placed on concrete based roads as a replaceable wear surface.

[video]https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/pavement/concrete/pubs/hif09015/hif09015.pdf[/video]

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   / Asphalt over concrete driveway, would you do it? #28  
I've been using crushed concrete to fill my pot holes and it's a lot better then crushed limestone. I'm hoping to go over my entire driveway with it.

Our county road agent talked me into using it. He claims it has a 200% compaction rate over limestone.

I was concerned about the dust but it hasn't been too bad.

My Little 855 with 5' landscape rake with tail wheels makes maintenance easy peasy. I have only had to grade it twice in 6 months and we had some back to back gully washers.
 

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